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John Smetana
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If you're not promoting yourself on MYSPACE you may be missing a good bet..It's not just for kids anymore guys..There are tons of bands,promoters, actors and performers of all kinds on there publicizing themselves. I've got a FREE book that may help you get a handle on it. If you're interested send me a note at:

Docjaksonsplace@aol.com.

and I'll send you a link so you can download a copy..no obligation..

all the best,
John
SpellbinderEntertainment
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John!
Your "informational booklet" is in reality a long-winded advertisement and a marketing ploy to buy into your Hog program!

Shame on you. If you want to market something do so, but be upfront about it, don't cloak an almost worthless promotional tool as a "gift" to Magic Café brothers and sisters.

I absolutely hate and abhor this cheap style of marketing, that so many others are trying to convince magician's is a good way to expand their business.

I felt you were a gentleman of honor, and had something of value to offer, instead through your Magic Café post I've been duped into letting you send me what amounts to spam.

Thank you just the same! Please remove me permanently from all your mailing lists.

Magically,
Walt


Docjaksonsplace@aol.com wrote:
Hi Walt,

Many thanks for your interest in the MYSPACE book. Here's the link to the PDF file which you can save to your desktop to read at your leisure. Also, if you know anyone else who may be interested please pass the link along to them.
SPACE HOGS BOOK

All the best,
John
AKA Doc Jakson

PS- I've also compiled a CD with more than ten books, some videos and an audio file all related to MYSPACE. I'm planning to offer this for sale on E Bay in the very near future at S15.95..However, if you'd like a copy now you can have it for $12.95 and I'll pick up the postage costs.Just send the payment to PAYPAL (docjakson@aol.com) and be sure to include your mailing address and I'll put the CD in the mail.
John Smetana
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Sorry you feel that way Walt...you seem to be an angry man..that's too bad. There's valuable info in the free book I offered and as I speak it's being sold on E Bay..not by me..mine was free..if you don't like it..that's your call..I still wish you,


all the best,
John
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Your pages do smell like scam, "Doc"...

Why on your sideshow auctions page does the example of the dunkin donuts cup seem to be on a bogus ebay page? Seems to be clever coding. Why do I think this? Well... I clicked on the example of the Dunkin Donuts auction while already logged into ebay. Yet when I click your page, the "ebay" site that comes up does not show me as logged in. When I open a new window and go to ebay, it ALWAYS says my name and says I am logged in... Hmmm... I smell a rat here.

If this is the case, Doc... always remember...

Don't play the carny's for marks.

Keith
Author of "The Festival Entertainer" The Professional Entertainer's Guide to Booking and Working Outdoor Fairs, Festivals, and Events.
Available at http://www.howtobookfestivals.com
John Smetana
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I am an affiliate for the book Keith, and it's excellent btw, and the page you reference ( The Dunkin Donuts cup) was indeed an auction..it may be off e bay records by now, I don't know. There are many more SIDESHOW AUCTIONS however and they do pull. If you're an E bayer I'm sure you must have seen them. Here are a couple of links that will illustrate my point:

http://www.sideshowauctions.com/blog/

http://www.curious-auctions.com/

All the best,
John
John Smetana
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Addendum to Keith...here's the link to the Dunkin's Cup auction..not sure why you couldn't get to it from the website link...worked fine for me..that notwithstanding, here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/y7r4b2

all the best,
Doc
John Smetana
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Here's another SIDESHOW AUCTION for you Keith..follow this one and see what it's all about:

http://tinyurl.com/ylv5k6

All the best,
John
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John,
what is your "my space" link so I can see your magic promotion.
Nothing of the same will bring any change, take action today!
Just taking a step, is a step in the right direction because when you stop working, your dream dies.
www.magicalmemories.us
John Smetana
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I no longer perform and haven't for a number of years. What I relate to you about MYSPACE is only what I see..One person you would know about most likely is Whit Haydn, who has a great site there and if you search you'll find dozens of magicians, jugglers, sideshow type performers etc. on MYSPACE, in additon to bands, promoters, actors, etc...Enjoy the search..


all the best,
John
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Im sorry John. But everything here really does smell a bit "scam-ish" . Im sure members of the Café cant help but think this is a quick way to make a few bucks. If I'm wrong, then I apologize. But maybe its the way you came off in the beginning.

I've been promoting from myspace for a while now and there are a couple of tricks, but nothing so amazing it deserves to be put in a set of notes. not to mention to charge for it. With a little time spent on the site, you'll be able to figure it out.
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MY "OPINION" ahead... not suggesting that anyone is wrong for their respective posts or shares, just offering a different opinion based on my own experience.

"IF" you don’t agree... fine, but there will be no need to flame anyone here. I certainly am not... Including John for his original post.

To be forthright, I have bought stuff from John in the past (So I can speak with EXPERIENCE) and his offerings are generally inexpensive for the information offered (So the VALUE is good for the investment) and "PERSONALLY" (Again, my opinion) I would much rather learn at the experience of others than take the time, effort and money to make all the mistakes myself... this is (YES a product offer) a shortcut to success for improving and using MySpace and for a lousy $12.00 (as I see it anyway) if I learn ONE simple thing to improve my success, it's less than a trip to McDonalds... My success is WORTH that and more!

I have products from most everyone, even posters HERE at the café! – They are, in fact honest and men of honor and do NOT deserved to be ‘shamed’ by anyone of us here as I see it anyway. (Rocks… glass houses… etc)

Don’t care much that John (as have sooo many others here we all love and respect) offered his FREE e-book... it was worth THAT and more, in MY OPINION. (PLUS there is a valuable marketing lesson here... like it or not. - And it's NOT 'how to scam people' either... thou most will miss the opportunity to LEARN anything from all this.)

I knew from the get-go that this was an "offer", (I find it difficult to imagine that anyone didn’t see it for what it was... “an offer”, BUT with some FREE value as well...) BUT SO-WHAT, the FREE (and it really was) report was really worth the investment I had to make it is and more! Sure, it wasn't the whole story, but why should ANYONE give away valuable info for FREE just cuz someone here say they should??? Hey, do what you want, but I am going to get the $12.00 book! And YES the FREE report WAS useful and had some valuable information... and it WAS 100% FREE, as promised. Nothing to be "shamed" for by anyone here in my opinion.

NO, to be clear, I do NOT want the Café' to become more of a breeding ground for “scammers and one-hit-wonders” (Like ALL the REAL Spammers who harvest from this site every day!)

This is NOT JOHN: John has well over 500 posts and shares here on a regular basis, he is not some smarmy “hit n' run internet marketer” who doesn’t know us. Sure he has stuff to sell, so what. MOST of the posters here have SOMETHING to offer and do so RIGHT HERE in this hallowed forum... THAT is fine too, just no need to get uppity whan others do it as well!

Sure we need to do our OWN due diligence and check em' out. Buy it or not, THAT is your choice.

I guess what I am saying is take the FREE e-book and report, get out of it what you can and CHOOSE to buy past that or not... fine, but I don’t see a need to single out regular posters and sharers like John (in this example) for "shaming" when several of us have made mention of our own wares as well.

I know I shouldn’t be throwing stones, though I don’t SELL stuff here, I have had occasion to mentioun solutions as have others and neither should of others who have already lobbed a few stones at John for the offer of this FREE (really is...) e-product that SELLS elsewhere.

Thanks for the Free Info John.

Again, you are welcome to disagree, just please do it 'agreeably' and on point. This is just my opinion and experience. Take it, don’t... fine. Just sharing.

Have an awesome day ya'll!

I am at your service and In HIS Service,
Deano
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TheDean
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Oops...
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John has well over 500 posts and shares here on a regular basis, he is not some smarmy “hit n' run internet marketer” who doesn’t know us. Sure he has stuff to sell, so what. MOST of the posters here have SOMETHING to offer and do so RIGHT HERE in this hallowed forum... THAT is fine too, just no need to get uppity whan others do it as well!


I meant "almost" 500 posts... but the POINT is the same.

Party On! - Woo Hoo!
Deano
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Dear Dean (The)

And you’ll see repeated marketing and multiple-posting done by John,
you may wish to subtract from his number of posts…

You will find when I make an “offer” on the Café,
it will be not to entice a sucker,
but to share something of value,
and something from my heart.

I have offered and provided presentations and stories from my repertoire,
which in some cases took months of creation and writing.

I’ve also now written two press/media releases,
and two bios, and done a business card format,
for guys’ I’ve never met, and probably never will.

Karma.

That is what the Magic Café is about
“magicians helping magicians”.

Not to my mind offering a booklet of “value”,
and providing something that is 85% plus marketing,
and what little content there is explains how to get-over on MySpace,
and bend their rules sneaking through the backdoor.

Sorry,
I do business when I do business,
and I share when I share.

Walt Anthony
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Cool Walt! (The) - Hehehehe - Friends call me Dean and Deano… feel free bud.

As I have said about you a few time now; “THANKS for your support and help”... good for you brother! I respect and appreciate that completely.

Too, here, all I did was share my opinion, experienced and open, honest way. - EACH individual here will have there (Yours, Mine. Others) own ideas and opinions to share on this and many other subjects… That is partly what this place is about ALSO.

We may not LIKE the way others do things and that too is our “OPINION” and we are EACH entitled to do so as long as it doesn’t infer with the rights of others to do what they do… (In our own way…) Things like name calling or inferring that just because one may not agree that the other is somehow “less-than honorable” or what-ever is a bit less than just sharing one’s OPINION on a subject, but rather attacking a PERSON and their character because one feels somehow taken advantage of. (Though I don’t know how???) NO ONE HERE, myself included is in the position to judge and jury another here at he Café with the acceptation of the staff and of course our brother “King Steve” himself. – I know I don’t even WANT that job… No thanks!

It’s also fine, some didn’t recognize the offer of a FREE E-Book for what it is… OK. I’m just not sure that elegantly condemning the character of another online family member here is “Magician’s Helping Magician’s”, and to suggest that ONE WAY is the ONLY WAY is a bit, well presumptuous.

Walt, I like you just fine and I love to read your shares and opinions. Do we always agree? Nope, but so what, I still like you and do my best not to condemn you or your character for sharing from your heart… why would I? It’s NOT my job.

Hope that helps clear things up!

Have an awesome day!
Deano
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PS
Too, if “WE” (You and I) somehow got off on the wrong foot, I apologize, that was NOT my intention nor does it continue to be… just sharing like everyone else, right?
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
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John Smetana
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Thanks Dean.. I really appreciate your posting your opinion..



all the best,
John
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Agent 86,
How does it work for you? Are you will willing to show us your "MYSPACE?"

John,
Regradless what the other say, I say "Thanks for the tip".
The whole "MYSPACE" is new to me. I looked around a bit but did not find any magicains. I am sure that is just my lack of knowledge.
Nothing of the same will bring any change, take action today!
Just taking a step, is a step in the right direction because when you stop working, your dream dies.
www.magicalmemories.us
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Hey Brother Bill! - How are you... Long time bud!

Holy Cow... there are TONS of Magician's on My Space! Yeah. Like you said, maybe hard to find at-first, but once you fine ONE, it’s and endless link to all the rest of us!

Amazing Jonathan
Chriss Angel
David Copperfield
Lee Asher
Mike Giusti
Magic Broadcast
... heck, search for any one of your favorites and "link-on" from there!

Mine is: http://www.MySpace.com/DeanHankey - It’s not that good yet, but I will learn what John (and others) have to share and do what I can! (A LOT faster than I could ever do on my own!)

Good to see you and hope that helps!

I am at your service and In HIS Service,
Deano
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So Dean,
Have you ever booked a gig becuse of this? John said it helped with marketing?
Nothing of the same will bring any change, take action today!
Just taking a step, is a step in the right direction because when you stop working, your dream dies.
www.magicalmemories.us
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OK lets get back on topic and the thought of advertising yourself on "MYSPACE".

Please tell me if I am wrong.
This "MYSPACE" seems fun but what does it do for you? I see the links and all the "Thanks for adding me" posts but do people looking to hire entertainment really go here? If I was looking to hire a entertainer would I really go to "MYSPACE" If so then why was it so hard for me to find any magicians unless I knew of one and chased the links. I could see me self getting caught up with this and loosing focus and time that could be better spent elsewhere. Another thing I saw was the pictures from "your friends", people were flipping the bird, half naked, ETC.. This is not the image I want to have or be associated with. So I would really like to know what benefit have your own "MYSPACE" is?
Has anyone really booked a gig from this?
Thanks
Nothing of the same will bring any change, take action today!
Just taking a step, is a step in the right direction because when you stop working, your dream dies.
www.magicalmemories.us
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I have booked a few gigs [NOT a ton] from MySpace (As a Lead Generation Device) I know LOTS of other guys who use MySpace ALLOT better than I know how to do just yet, hence WANTING as much info as I can get.

Am I a "MySpace" expert? - No, not yet.

Too, “as I see it” anyway, the real usefulness of MySpace is to keep touch with you Fan Base as most of the Big-Time Guys & Gals use it for… More “PROMOTIONS” than over “marketing”, BUT “PART of your over-all markeing mix, it is something for all to at-least earnestly LOOK-AT. Do, Don’t do… that is for each to decide, but doing it or not doing is better or worse as part of the over-all success mix.

Do I want to know all I can KNOW about how to use MySpace to get more leads and business??? (And make new friends and keep ‘in-touch’ for those ON myspace…) - You Bet yer sweet bippy I do! - Who wouldn't???

REMEMBER, like ANY marketing and promotional tool, it is NOT a MAGIC BULLET, it is just a TOOL that can build or destroy any business depending on how you use it.

My less than .02 cents worth just yet.

I am at your service and In HIS Service,
Deano
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