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Ed_Millis
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Okay - I'm throwing myself to the wolves here! Go easy on me! I'm a real no-sleights guy - I can handle a cross-cut force and maybe a false overhand shuffle. A new routine has now got me wishing I knew a very simple way to let a card be inserted into the deck and then control it to the top of the deck.

The few books I've got have got some different methods, but I haven't been able to figure them out from the pictures. That's proably more of a patience thing on my part than poor directions on their part - when it looks like it's not going to work for me, I sigh and give up. But now I'd really like to learn how.

I could just force one regular card into a tapered deck, or one short card into a regular deck. Or I could break down and actually learn a useful move, such as how to control any card to the top. Is there an easy, beginner's method? I know it will take some practice, so I'm not asking to to become a pro by tomorrow. But if there's a method that might be easier to learn than others, I'm all for it!

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Hindu Shuffle would be my choice. It's a force and a control. Very simple.

What books do you have?
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Yes, Hindu Shuffle.
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Double undercut is my favourite.
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I am not an expert myself, but the double undercut seems to be a really easy and useful control.

I'm saying this because there's not much people where I live that do hindu shuffles...my asian friend aside.
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What books do you have?


Card wise, I have
"The Little Giant Encyclopedia of Card & Magic Tricks"
(http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksea......p;itm=20)
and
"The Amazing Book of Magic and Cards Tricks"
(http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksea......p;itm=48)

Then there's always the library - most noteabls are "Amateur Magician's Handbook", "Magic for Dummies", and "Idiot's Guide to Magic."

Ed
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Ed,

I agree with Josh (I always agree with Josh, if I don't he said he'd beat me up. Dudes got a mean streak.) and the others who say Hindu control. Double undercut is simple as well. But the Hindu is nice and requires no delay in the action. It just looks like you are shuffling cards on top the selection.

I actually have that little giant book. I think they have some (very poorly described) versions of the pass. I'll look at it tonight and see if I can find an good one in there for you.

This is an easy one, don't fret. There is definately something out there for you that you can learn and use with just a bit of practice.
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Thanks for all the input. It looks like the Hindu Shuffle is at least a great place to start, if not just the thing I need. Much obliged to all.

Ed
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Hey Ed,

You mention you already know an Overhand Shuffle. The Overhand Shuffle Control is perfect for your wishes. Hope this helps, and am a little surprised it's not yet been mentioned. Thanks a lot, and check it out in Royal Road (book or Paul Wilson's DVD set) or a million and one other sources. Good luck with it. It's the best method for laypeople; natural, fair and impossible.

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Triple cut to table. Just hold a break above the replaced selection and then cut 3 packets to the table with the last packet containing the selected card on top. Do it casually and keep the patter going. Can't get any simpler than that.

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I use the double undercut most often, but there's no single way that's right for all circumstances. The Hindu and Overhand controls are good and fairly painless to acquire, and have the advantage of letting you do a lot of other things as well. Whichever you decide to use, when you practice, concentrate on smoothness and natural movement, these are much more important than speed. Speed will come later. And don't get flustered when you drop a card (and you WILL drop cards!) Everyone drops cards. Paul Wilson drops cards when he's teaching the overhand on the Royal Road DVD, and I respect him for leaving it in rather than editing it out. The point is, look natural and casual.
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I was surprised how well the double undercut works and although in many ways I perfer a side steal, the DC is very good.
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Why don't you just to an injog and an overhand shuffle. I don't see the point of trying to be an expert card handler if you aren't. It is good to learn a proper card control but handling the cards the way you would normally is more important than learning a sleight. If you look rough when you handle cards then you don't need a smooth card control. Trust me no-one will notice.
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http://www.magicmethodsonline.com/cbooks.html
Scroll down to: "Basic Skills With Cards" (Jerry Mentzer) for a good basic (easy and cheap) book on sleights. There are a few other books that may interest you as well. BTW, he has fast/excellent service!!
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The double undercut is really a magician's thing - notice that no layman is doing undercuts. If I want to casually bring a card to another location, I always use common shuffles - overhand and hindu . . .

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I looked in my books last night - found a Hindu shuffle, but no Hindu control. I did find a Hindu control online at http://www.magic.walhalla.pl/CardManipul......ass.html " target="_blank"> Ed_Millis
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ChristopherM and abc: The Overhand shuffle sounds good, too. But I can’t get a visual on how to keep the card on top once you drop it there. It seems like any spectator watching will see that the other cards are not going on top of it like they should. Or am I missing something very basic here?

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On 2007-01-11 10:06, Ed_Millis wrote:
ChristopherM and abc: The Overhand shuffle sounds good, too. But I can’t get a visual on how to keep the card on top once you drop it there. It seems like any spectator watching will see that the other cards are not going on top of it like they should. Or am I missing something very basic here?

Ed


Drop it on top as the last thing you do. Keep it jogged and cut to it and drop it on top as your final move.
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Drop it on top as the last thing you do. Keep it jogged and cut to it and drop it on top as your final move.


Why don't you describe how Ed is supposed to do this, from the time the card is selected, returned, and on to the shuffle.
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Ed, I looked at that Little Giant book last night. As far as cards go, and I'm not really kidding here, rip out all of the pages related to cards in that book except the Si Stebbens stuff. That book is terrible. The teaching is poor and in some cases plain wrong. Absolute rubbish.
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