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Josh Riel
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I completely disagree with Josh (Both of them, even me) We should not seem like magicians! We shouldn't even touch the cards. We should just use magic.

Honestly why can't you guys understand this.....

Do Hindu's use the double undercut? I think they would prefer the pass, they just seem like that kind of people.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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Go to bed Josh! Save some beer for the morning.
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No! Actually I'm not allowed to drink on work nights..... But tomorrow, WooHoo.

Try using real magic though.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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Oh, alright. I'll work on it.

Change my recommendation to "real magic card control".
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On 2007-01-11 21:57, Josh the Superfluous wrote:
I was referring to the diagram group's atrocity as well.


They should be called the "Diaphragm Group" because they actually PREVENT good magic. Get it? Diaphragm? Because a diaphragm is a contraceptive, a preventitive if you will...

Allright, forget it.
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FRIDAY

Anyhoo, I think abstinence is the better option, however less fun.

So that I don't become "That guy" who says mostly irrelevant things, I don't use the Hindu Shuffle as a control because I never use it otherwise. I use a very simple in jog, cut to the in jog, shuffle the remaining cards overhand fashion behind the bottom packet, which just so happens to have the card on top..... Usually I do a false cut and fair riffle shuffle (As long as the top card remains top). however this isn't even needed, I just like to do it.
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On 2007-01-11 21:57, Josh the Superfluous wrote:
I was referring to the diagram group's atrocity as well. Their web site makes them appear to be a book writing factory.


Yah - that's the one I've got! Thanks for the heads up on the card stuff - I would never have known the difference!

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The Hindu and overhand shuffles are both used as legitimate shuffles. They both make sense to the spectator.

Ortiz points out that the real question is what comes next. The hindu supposedly leaves the card lost in the center. The overhand supposedly mixes it somewhere in the deck. If the card appears in an impossible location (outside the deck), perhaps it's better that it was last seen lost in the middle. If the card appears during a deal, at a point stopped by a spectator, perhaps it's better if it was randomly mixed.


As for what comes next, the deck will be tabled and spread out "haphazardly" (with the top card controlled, which is why I needed the returned card on top) - the chosen card will be found from this pile.

I tried the Hindu shuffle over the weekend, and found that I needed to smooth out grabbing the bottom portion (with the force card on top) to complete the move. Unless I'm doing it wrong, that is.

Actually, I realized as I was practicing that a riffle shuffle works great for me. The deck is cut, the card placed on top of one pile, and the piles shuffled with the one card controlled to the top. Does that work as "naturally" as the Hindu, in your opinions?

Ed
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Actually, I realized as I was practicing that a riffle shuffle works great for me. The deck is cut, the card placed on top of one pile, and the piles shuffled with the one card controlled to the top. Does that work as "naturally" as the Hindu, in your opinions?

Ed


Merely cutting the deck, placing the selection on top of half the cards then riffle shuffling the other half into it is not very deceptive. My suggestion is to properly learn how to control a selected card to the top of the deck before riffle shuffling and retainng the chosen card on the top of the deck. You must convince the spec that his card is hopelessly lost in the deck before you reveal it.
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A tip on the Hindu Shuffle.
On the 'pick-up', there will often be a visible gap at the break if it's too wide.
Keep the break small and watch your angles.
I make sure that the break is only on the thumb side and my fingers are towards the specatators.
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Okay - I'll keep working the Hindu. Thanks for all the input.

Ed
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I've been practicing the overhand control for about two weeks and am still doing it. I reckon that in another couple weeks I'll be ready to look into my wife's eyes and control the position of my card. I like noting the top card of my deck when I sit down to watch TV, then I control to bottom, keep there, control to top, control top and bottom cards in place, hold an injog above the former top card, return it to top, etc. I glance down periodically to make sure I haven't lost my card and I get to watch a little TV after a long day. Its given me a way to get in hours of practice. RRTCM makes a constant point of telling the reader that they should be able to do this without staring at their hands. So, what better distraction than TV?

Best of luck with whatever shuffle you choose!

Kevin
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Ed, just a heads-up. I don't think you're allowed to wear that hat if you don't know the overhand shuffle controls. You're just spoiling it for all the other hat acts.

(I kid.)
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Good luck Ed . . . and keep the hat.

Andy
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Without the hat the vest would just be totally out of place!!

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Actually, I had to toss the hat in the photo. I did manage to find another one close enough to it to be a twin. The downside is that it's reversible, with the other side being red with huge white polka dots. So when I wear it now, the bottom of the brim is the red with white dots, rather than the colored squares. But with wire in the edge of the brim, they're hard to wash, and after some 4 and 6 hour gigs twisting balloons, the hat definitely needs washing!

Ed
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