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I told a story once before how my friend went to new york he was a pimp there and he use to turn the red card over on monte players. A person who says a person has no chance to win at 3cm doesn't know what he is talking about. I don't see how in the world a person can call a 3cm worker a cheater but a casino honest! If you informed people about casinos I bet the number of people who frequent casinos would drop dramatically. They don't know its a scam. They really think they have a chance of winning at the casino.
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Count I use to run a gambling game in jail. its called the dog track and I don't know if you are use to it or not. But I made plenty of money at this game. One thing I knew about the dog track was that if 10 people played maybe 1 would win but 9 were gonna lose. I was confident with this and I knew the game was a racket! It was a racket because anyway it went I won! Of course lotteries are a scam, and insurance companies also. In my opinion. A casino is a cash cow and so if a lottery. When have you heard of a casino losing money or a lottery losing money? It aint gonna happen! YOu put those cards in the machine and they let you win but they know who you r. They know you are a gambling addict and even if they let you win you gonna gamble it back. that's why when people win big they give you a room etc so you will gamble the money back!
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The key word is concealment.

In a casino or lottery nothing is concealed from the player. It's all there in black and white for those who bother to look. As a matter of fact most states and provinces have laws that obligate every twist of the odds to be published and available for the player to read on demand.

If you're being hustled, methods are concealed, and intentions are purposfully misrepresented.
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Memph it sounds like you are describing something simular to The Anchor and the Crown. If you want to toss the monte etc as a straight up hustle, which I am starting to doubt you do considering your views, then more power to you. To consider a casino, because they have the edge, the same as a monte tosser (who will never lose if they don't want to) is not be honest with ones self. Casinos exist the same as other companies, to generate an income. With gambling there exist the opportunity to win, every day people win thousands of dollars. Over the long haul and over the shere odds of numbers they make money. The guy running the monte or other street hustles doesn't give the opportunity to win, they only give the impression that such an event could occur...and that is when the trap is set. If you feel the need to justify your criminality then do so, just don't expect everyone to be a mark.
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Well, my copies of Poker Protection and Casino Game Protection both arrived today, and I am quite impressed. Both books are beautiful, and after a quick glance, appear to contain a lot of great information. My only complaint was the paper stock used, as the pages look/feel as though they were printed using a laser printer (albeit a high quality laser printer). I would have preferred a nice glossy "textbook" paper.
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Mine one arived as well. Looks great.
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Vernon spent his life searching out hustlers who would discuss cards with him, and when he found them he treated them with non-judgemental respect.

Of course the hustlers repayed Vernon with the exact same kind of respect.

I wonder if there's anything in that WE could use in 2007?
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Vernon was a great magician and facinating man. Remember one thing Silverking, Vernon didn't hesitate to lie to the hustlers to get access to their info, not real respectful. His own articles for Genii and the books about Vernon reflect how he presented Charlie Miller as a dice man so they wouldn't talk cards with him and how he told Kennedy that he was a hustler off of the trans Atlantic ships.
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By the way fellas to read about second opion of Vernon, the one which was hidden from magicians you shoudl read Phantom at the Card Table.
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Santa I make my money in the casino. you should read some of the statistics about how many people have lost their houses etc to gambling. How many familes have been destroyed by gambling. The lure of winning? lol
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On 2007-01-24 20:07, Pavloter wrote:
By the way fellas to read about second opion of Vernon, the one which was hidden from magicians you shoudl read Phantom at the Card Table.

It's a great read, but it's not the book to go to when you want accurate information on Vernon.

I'm not even sure it's the right book to go to for information about Walter Scott. Busby's "The Secret of the Palmettos" tells yet a different story of the entire Scott affair!

Just proves you need more than a single book on any given topic to get the whole story.
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I've not read the Phantom book....need to. Memph, I don't disagree with you. Folks have lost everything to gambling and it is a sad thing. I would also think it is better they lose their pocket money to a hustler than everything to Bally's. I'm in an odd position where I don't really gamble except for fun but I'm surrounded by casinos...can walk to the front of my property and see two of them.
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The really sad thing was that the "stupid card counters" in the 1980s had a BIG MOUTH and publicised how they could beat the game.

Then the casinos started getting smart and changed the game, so the edge a card counter can get today makes it not even worthwhile playing.

I know, I used to be one of those undercover card counters in the early 1980s and was annoyed every time I saw someone like Ken Uston making a fuss and some other idiots.

Oh well, now I just play for fun...card counting just reduces the house cut to break even...I liked it better when I had an edge....time moves on ...
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You are absolutely right. I love stumbling into a one deck game of Black Jack. It is a beautiful thing, they have 'em in Carson City at the Nugget.
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Memph,

Can you tell us about how you are able to beat the casino?
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Who R U talking to MagicSanta or me ?

As far as I am concerned...I would not use the phrase "beat the casino". I was a computer science major and spent my last 2 years in college working on a blackjack card counting system.....it used my own formulas and calculations....I got the original idea from Beat the dealer and enhanced the concepts into using what is known as a "multi-level count" today. Except I developed my own.

I went to Vegas for 1 week when I was 21 years old and played my system. The computer told me that I was supposed to have a 3% edge over the house vs. then having an edge over me.

When I did the math, I found out that in the real world, I was winning about a 6% edge over the house. (I check and re-checked...yet the computer only said my edge should be 3%....Guess I got lucky.

Then as the casinos changed their rules and shuffling proceedures I kept changing my software. Until now, it is about a 50-50 (breakeven) game with card counting. Sure I may get lucky and win...But, statistically I don't have an edge and I don't gamble unless I have the edge Smile

Gambling is not fun to me, it is a business Smile ... no edge....no play Smile

So that is the short version of my story...but, it was fun while it lasted !
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Well ronfour I am a janitor in the casino.
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My job is a dirty job but somebody has to do it!
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Memph,

I know a guy who does the same thing.


expertmagician,

Is that your website that sells cards & stuff?
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What web site Smile
No advertising here Smile
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