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Expertmagician
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Hey memph33777,

While you are cleaning the roulette wheel, why don't you tilt it ?
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Just took delivery of my copy of the Forte poker book, and having browsed through it prior to a full read I'm amazed that there's any copies of this book left for sale at all.

Are folks just not talking about it to keep it to themselves, or does the book just contain too much information to get a handle on?

The review in Genii declared the Forte book as the worthy successor to Erdnase's "Expert" which at the time I read the review I thought was a bit of an overstatement.
Having now seen the book, I realize that it's actually an insightful representation of the Forte book.

If you don't have this, and you post here often, dig up the scratch and get it. I can see a few years down the road where there will be folks who have access to this book, and folks that don't...........those that don't will be at a disadvantage.

For me, Forte's poker book cements him into the position as the guy who knows more than anybody else, and knows how to communicate that information to others who are interested in a way that makes it not only enjoyable to read, but almost overwhelmingly comprehensive.

(i got the Forte poker book and the Conjuring Arts mini "bible" edition of "Expert at the Card Table" in the post on the same day..........it was one of those real good mailbox days if that makes sense to anybody)
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Silverking,

My wife just complained this morning about all the books I'm getting in the mail. And now it seems I'm gonna have to order two more. So I don't know whether to thank you or curse you.

On the other hand, it's only money.

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Thanks Silver I ain't got it yet. I will do so this instant while I still have it in mind. I make notes of these things "Must get that!" them somethings happens and I forget until someone mentions it again.

Do I have to order it from the USA. Does any one know if I can get it from somewhere in England? It's no big thing but it will arrive quicker for me if I can.
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Tommy, I don't know how things are in the UK, but in Germany I get things from the States in a week to 10 days--unless it's in a warehouse somewhere on the outskirts of the town where I live. Which this book wouldn't be. So this book would almost certainly arrive more quickly if you order it directly from Forte's website. Also, I don't know how things are in the UK, but here I would pay MORE than the price of the book + shipping + customs. In other words, order it now and from the States.

As for myself, I'll have to wait 20 minutes before I order. I've got to watch a TV show with my family. Patriarchal responsibility and all.

Oh, and Silverking: are you going to write a review of the Erdnase Bible?

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I had some thoughts on the 'Mini-Erdnase' bible in the book review forum.

I'd love to know what others are thinking about the Forte book though, it's an over-the-top book in terms of what it teaches and how it's taught.
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Forte was meeting demand by expanding on the poker cheat section of his major work. He makes it clear that he would be covering areas that are really no longer an issue in poker and that for the most part he doesn't think it is an issue at all. I feel it is as over the top as it has to be to keep from being dry.
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Forte's book kicks ass and theres a lot in there that still applies to most CASINO poker rooms and can still become an issue...
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Funny, but if you read the book....the most powerful weapon in poker is collusion/partnerships. Sure sleight of hand and gaffs enhance that. But, collusion is the killer.

I bet that is one reason why they show hole cards on the world series of poker....that way they can see if people fold kings against a set of aces on the 1st two cards (ie. play high hand). Of course, more sophisticated techniques are available....but, exposing cards to the camera also tend to reduce the risk of SOME sorts of collusion. (Steve tends to agree because he mentioned this too)

Personally, I like sleight of hand, marked cards, strippers, etc. They are more interesting than simply signaling a partner Smile Of course, these techniques can increase a partnership edge Smile They also make for more interesting "gambling expose" routines Smile
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I gotta say that if you're into this kind of stuff, Forte's book reads like a dang Robert Ludlum novel.
I can't put it down!

There's a lot to be said for books that are 'complete' in terms of covering their topic.
Many magic books are far from complete, if that's even possible.

I noticed that Forte's poker book is bound, covered, and structured like a text book. It really is a university level education in poker protection.

I've got 3 shelves of Mason Malmuth, Sklansky, Ray Zee, and other 2+2 books on poker. It's Forte's book that gives an opportunity to have access to a complete run down on poker.
That run down is something that, until you actually see Forte's book, you may not even realize that you're missing.
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Tommy,

you can get it here, http://alakazam.co.uk/acatalog/Books_23.html
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WOW my old pal Yiannis how you doing son your looking well. Thanks for the tip.

Tommy
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Hi Tommy!

How are you old chap? (and wise as well Smile)
I've been away for a while, taking some time off from magic/gambling.
I'll see you around from now on Smile

Take care.
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If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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Ive order the book a couple of weeks ago, and will be gettin it in a week or two...

Could somebody tell me what I can expect of the book? I know of the content, but for example: in what way are the sleight/moves/techniques discussed? Maybe a small review of the book?

No matter what, I know the book is gonna blow my mind!

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If you ordered it....why not wait to be surprised Smile

I personally found it an interesting read and I enjoyed both of his recent gambling books and recommend them....but, bear in mind, it is an expose' book and not a "how to book", so if you expect to learn technique (ie. how to do a bottom deal or second deal....then you will not find it in this book). However, it will expose various techniques and strategies which will help you "DETECT" cheating.

On the other hand, if you are already knowledgeable with gambling moves, you can "read between the lines" and gain additional insight with regard to cheating techniques.
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This book, much like Mr. Forte, is overrated.

And, by overrated I obviously mean fan-friggen-tastic.

I'm not sure I agree with Mr. Swain's comments that it is a replacement (I may be remembering that incorrectly) or superseads it though- it seems to have a TOTALLY different objective.

Erdnase's book was designed to teach you how to use the weapons of a sharp- step by step instructions so that YOU can learn them. Mr. Forte's book is designed so that, hopefully, you can detect them. It won't teach you how to do them. But, if you already know how then his book will teach you how to USE them (and, detect them).

If you like this type of stuff, this is one of the best books you'll ever read.

But, don't buy it. It's overrated...
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Jim Swain made a 4 pages review in the February issue of Genii with plenty of pictures (in case you are a genii subscriber). The book is a great read, very hard to put down... which is good because I feel like I'll have to read it over and over Smile
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Thanks guys! Just got the email: my book is coming this week....

I allready knew it wasent goin to be a how-to-book, luckelly there are other resources for that! Like ya'll said, if you can "read between the lines" you can gain additional insight with regard to cheating techniques...

Thanks again,

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