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Tony James Inner circle Cheshire UK 1398 Posts |
Potty - here's a good UK example. Funny Fotos. Now is that really 'magic'?
Edwin turned out a similar variant as EMA and I can't recall its title. Used banners instead of the big folding cards. I bought it but it was too difficult to handle. Strange. You would have thought the banners would be easier but they weren't. That effect is all about fun and participation. There is no magic. It's about routining. The 'magic' is almost an anti climax. You can hardly call putting a card into a folder and bringing it out with a cartoon on it as magic. It's a nothing. But the whole routine is great fun for the four children helping and the entire audience is involved.
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kimmo Inner circle Sheffield 1193 Posts |
Tony - Do you still have the Komical Kapers banners? I'd be quite interested in buying them off you if you have.
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gfdiamond Regular user sweden 198 Posts |
This is an intersting post. in my show, I use a number of bits that have nothing to do with magic, but the children think they are hilarious. one is the giant hammer effect. I tell the childen that if I fall asleep during the show, one of them has to come up on stage and belt me on the head with the sponge hammer. this is a highlight of my show...i combine it with silly music.
another bit is that I tell them not to let me eat the nuts in the can as they are over 20 years old and green.....they scream blue murder when I get hungry during the show and go for the nuts. bits like this are so funny and still have nothing to do with magic, more of a panto clown type deal.... as I perform for swedish children who do not understand a word of english, these bits are gold for me. kind regards, geoff diamond, sweden. http://www.vararkaninen.se (where is the rabbit)
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Tony James Inner circle Cheshire UK 1398 Posts |
Kimmo
Sorry. Sold them at the Order of the Magi auction about a year ago. The problem with them is once youve unrolled them. They are harder for the children to hold than the boards. Hands are above head and they strat to droop a lot. The boards need hands lower and more in front which is not only easier but looks better. When you've finished with the boards they fold and are placed to one side easily. The banners need rolling and it takes time and slows the whole thing. The children find it very hard and very slow rolling their own - so to speak! If you put them aside unrolled iedrape them over a chairtthey buckle and you get crease marks on the surrface. At least I did. I couldn't find a satisfactory way of disposing of them except rolling up and that took too long. Great idea but not as practical as the old folding boards.
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Potty the Pirate Inner circle 4632 Posts |
Tony, your example, Funny Fotos IS a magic trick. OK, so the "magic" isn't exactly blinding, but at the end there is a "photo" of the winner of the contest! Magic! so is Run Rabbit Run magic, because the rabbit vanishes at the end, and appears somewhere else. If by "no magic", we're talking about tricks that adults don't find magical, then there are already hundreds, probably thousands of shows that fit the "no magic" concept!
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Tony James Inner circle Cheshire UK 1398 Posts |
All right then, how about The Two Toothbrushes, Auntie Nellie's Doggie, Uncle Fred's Turnip, Christmas Cracker and oddball things like that?
They're not magic but go down a bomb if you can get anything out of them. they're hard. I mentioned Funny Fotos because it's easy to work and if you dropped the so called photo off the end you'd improve the thing.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
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Smarty Pants Loyal user 261 Posts |
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magicgeorge Inner circle Belfast 4299 Posts |
I've done a magic show without any magic. It was a school show where someone on the board of governors decided that magic was evil. (I mentioned I was just making hankies appear in socks not killing goats to conjure up beezlebub but the booker had her orders and apparently there was no reasoning with the man).
Anyhow it was pretty easy I just took some of the non-magic routines I do (plate spinning, balloon modelling) and also adapted some of the other effects so there was no magic in them. So yes, it's entirely possible to do a show with no magic tricks in it but I wouldn't want to work that way. The effects are great for giving your routine purpose. The tricks to me are the skeleton of the routine which you can flesh out with all your business and nonsense. without the tricks it's possible to have a lot of fun but harder to work out where it's all going and to find an end or climax to all of the nonsense. Tony said "And usually, there's precious little magic. If Silly Billy did say what Rick mentioned up there - 'it's the journey and not the arrival' - then he is right." Yes he did say it but he was quoting someone a lot older, more experienced and more British. George |
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Scott O. Inner circle Midwest 1143 Posts |
I do shows for children that include lots of silliness. Nesting wands, bongo hat, wilting flower, puppets, etc. But the only reason it is a magic show is that I do magic too.
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"The quality of the show is all that matters. I don't think the adults care if there are any magic tricks in the show, as long as the kids are having fun. They don't pull it all to pieces like we do, and say 'Look, he's doing Bigger wands and the Bongo hat and they are not even magic tricks!' " I did a show a couple months back for a children's center and one of the children said "We saw a magician last month." That's when the teacher said, "Oh, no -- he wasn't a real magician. He was just doing silly things." So the children may not "get" the difference, but the adults can and do make a distinction. Again, a silly show is fine. The children can be very entertained by it. But if you call it a magic show, do some magic.
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Tony James Inner circle Cheshire UK 1398 Posts |
George
Am I THAT much older?
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
The first time I did a conference on spirituality (different religions were represented) they asked me to not include magic) The next year they told me I could use anything that I thought was appropriate. Magic was brought in.
Actually my show is not magic heavy....(he's not heavy ..he's my brother...but I digress) An elephant without a trunk...is.... not going on vacation...but I digress again... Many things are magical..My eyeglass case (from Wal-mart) that changes colors when turned inside out...Is it a gag or magic... Of course it is in the eye (ouch) of the beholder. Interesting thread...(which I pulled loose a bit) with tongue somewhere near my cheek... Harris
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Potty the Pirate Inner circle 4632 Posts |
Okay, so what actually DOES qualify as a "magic trick that isn't a magic trick?" An Optical Illusion? Paper balls over the head? Giving away the secret? I guess there are some things that could accomplish this....any other ideas anyone?
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Tony James Inner circle Cheshire UK 1398 Posts |
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On 2007-02-01 10:59, Tony James wrote: Potty I've given you examples already. There are plenty more similar.
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Smarty Pants Loyal user 261 Posts |
The vanishing water trick. Very funny!
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Tony James Inner circle Cheshire UK 1398 Posts |
Which vanishing water trick isn't really magic?
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Harv Inner circle I'm building a fence with 1127 Posts |
A magic show without magic is not a magic show and therefore when one would do a magic show without magic one would not be considered a magician (a variety entertainer perhaps, but not a magician.) From my experience, children at around the age of 4 understand the concept of magic (I do magic shows for that age group all the time) and I've fooled both kids and adults with a prop such as hippity hop rabbits. Most of the time a good routine will be 90% entertainment and 10% magic, but there must still be an element of magic to promote your show as a "magic" show.
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Tony James Inner circle Cheshire UK 1398 Posts |
As I illustrated above, you can have a jolly good magic show without magic tricks.
Regarding rabbits. If you can 'fool' adults with hippity hop rabbits then you are either a magician of supersonic ability or you are working to a jolly dim audience - or possibly both. Three year olds here in upper class homes consider that effect for babies. But then they are exceedingly intelligent and are more used to shooting the things for a lunchtime pie. You would need the input of Kimmo or Potty to tell you about the lower stratas of UK society who, they tell us, prefer snot and may be equally unimpressed by rabbits, hip, hopping or not.
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Smarty Pants Loyal user 261 Posts |
-Which vanishing water trick isn't really magic?-
The one where you drink it, and tell the kids you are going to make the water dissapear. They find this very funny, but it is not magic. However, it is what I would call a magic trick without any magic. |
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Tony James Inner circle Cheshire UK 1398 Posts |
In humbler homes I do that one with a pork pie.
With my usual high society clients they appreciate canapes.
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