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Dynamike
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I there a place that makes a newspaper camouflage dove bag?
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Hi Mike,

I know that General Grant carries them. You can reach him at:

GGmagic@aol.com

Tell him that I, Michael John, recommended him. He is a good friend of mine.

He makes very nice one hand release dove harnesses, including newspaper camouflage.
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I was able to buy this video from Stevens Magic
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What type of material, Dynamike? - Cloth, nylon, etc.....
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Tony Clark has them and he's a sponsor on the Café. I think Bob Sanders also supplies them.
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FYI, General Grant's dove harnesses are made of nylon.
Channing Pollack is my idea of the perfect magician. For those of you that have not seen him perform, I recommend trying to get hold of a video of an old movie called "European Nights" made about 1959.
I was able to buy this video from Stevens Magic
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On 2007-02-08 17:09, Dave Scribner wrote:
Tony Clark has them and he's a sponsor on the Café. I think Bob Sanders also supplies them.


We do have a few newsprint dove harnesses left. They are made of Lycra and when they are gone, they are gone. They come with the pin-in pocket, black pins, and harness. All is machine washable and the harness breathable and the dove’s head is visible to the magician even after loading. My harnesses keep the doves' wings against their body until released. The dove can’t fly until the magician decides. The harnesses are also very soft and small enough to palm off. (They were actually made for my act and I just had them use up the rest of the material. If you have priced custom printed Lycra you will understand why there will be no more.)

Just as a side note, these can also be used for table loads. Because of the suspension balance point, you don’t have to worry about accidentally killing young birds waiting to be produced.

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On 2007-02-08 16:59, 1906Alpha1906 wrote:
What type of material, Dynamike? - Cloth, nylon, etc.....


I would consider cloth. I want nothing to reflect as the dove appears from a newspaper after tearing and restoring it.

Ok, thank you, guys. I will look into each of the manufactures who have listed.

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I went too fast without reading Bob's post. That might be the answer. Is there a website I can look at them, Bob?
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Yeah General Grant make a good one handed release bag..



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If you have a plain white cloth dove holder that you like, you can turn it into "newsprint" by getting a wordy rubber stamp and stamping words all over it with permanent stamp pad ink. Note, newspaper is not pure white, so you might want to tint the bag slightly gray before you start... or dig around in your drawers for a really old and dirty off-white dove holder.
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On 2007-02-08 16:59, 1906Alpha1906 wrote:
What type of material, Dynamike? - Cloth, nylon, etc.....


I would consider cloth. I want nothing to reflect as the dove appears from a newspaper after tearing and restoring it.

Ok, thank you, guys. I will look into each of the manufactures who have listed.

--Edit--

I went too fast without reading Bob's post. That might be the answer. Is there a website I can look at them, Bob?



Thanks Mike,

Since I'm really an importer and not a retailer, I don't maintain a retail website or take credit cards. The only price I have is wholesale.

I have 21 of the harnesses left and need to keep 10 of them. With about three decades of stage dove magic behind me, these are what I actually use and I have the same alternatives as anyone else.

I want to keep this a problem solving post rather than a sales thread. So I'll stop right there.

A common problem with many dove harnesses is that they assume doves are flat rather than round. It makes for major fit problems.

Since our poster has alternatives, that was the objective.

Enjoy your dove magic.

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The check is in the mail.
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Dynamike,

That's an action statement! (Thank you. I did get your private message.)

No joke, I think you'll find it to be as good as it gets unless you really can make doves appear from nothing. I hate that printed fabric in the USA is getting to be a thing of the past. But it just isn't made or sewn here anymore.

In the last ten years I have started moving my shows more toward music and away from patter because today many of the good audiences are not all English-speaking. Doves and silks are good cover when languages don't match.

The last restaurant magic I did was in a very successful business where likely I was the only one speaking English. Fortunately, the act was visual.

Enjoy!

Bob


PS --- My method of doing magic in a restaurant is that I'm at a fixed space and people are invited join me at will. I do not like to do "ambush magic". It also does not block food service!
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Thank you very much everyone. Now my previous question from last year is finally answered: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......13&3

I want to thank Vinnie especially. Because of his 2nd post, I would not of thought about it: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=37

How much I owe you Vinnie?
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I've just ordered Tony Clark's Newspaper Dove holder. I have confidence that it will be as great as all of Tony's products.
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Thank you everyone. My mail arrived. I appreciate all of your support.

The harness is cute and beautiful. I like the material. I like the holder too. I've never seen one that size before. My former ones are larger, about the size of of a toppit. Thank you for the silks also. Everyone thank you again for your support.

I want to thank all of you 100 times, but I want to practice the routine now. Have a nice day.

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Dynamike,

Glad your mail arrived. There is no reason for the harness to be larger than fits the dove. The dove is safer with its wings against its body. Once you learn to use the harness, you'll love it. The material is soft enough to palm off. That can be important.

Play with it and you'll learn that you can produce a bottle of pop or beer, an appearing flag and staff, hot dog, ice cream bar, or any number of other things from the pocket that goes with the harness. Notice that the pocket is made to flatten also! Most don't. If you have a bulge in your coat before the production there is a $.29 cure. PM me.

If you have any questions, I sent you a phone number too. Just rattle my cage.

The silks were just a gift. But if you will sleeve one on each side. With the dove, the production becomes Red/ White/ Blue! (Cross your hands holding the dove and pull.) July 4th is coming again. It looks like elections will start early too. There'll be some Red/ White/ Blue opportunities.

Enjoy!

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If I sew a fish line into the front of the harness, the effect would be quicker because of the pull. Or will it be better if I pull The Invisible Dove Harness while he is in the Newspaper Dove Harness. Any comments?
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Dynamike,

The harness you have will always slide faster than feathers. Because the dove's wing tips are crossed in the sleeve with the tail, the dove won't try to fly until the harness is unpeeled. The dove's feet will be out before the the wings can move. This is why these harnesses are made for me.

(I ought to charge you a million dollars for this!) Get his feet comfortable on your finger before sliding the harness off. MOVE THE DOVE, not the harness. Raise him just a little and then lower him. He will flutter his wings but hold on to your finger. The harness is gone! The large motion hides the smaller one.

I haven't needed an invisible harness in the last twenty-five years! I think they are dangerous for the dove. When I produce a dove there is NOTHING on him. He can be perched on a wand and passed around the audience and there is nothing to see but a real dove and wand.

Yes! Attach your line on the harness under the neck. The harness is reinforced there on purpose. Note the collar tube with elastic. Too much said.

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PS --- You can use a black fishing swivel (snap) and there will be no need to sew. Just punch it through. And because of the range of motion and center of balance your dove will always be head up and feet down. You won't have to look during the steal! It's a far cry from a dove in a folded wash cloth bag that isn't dove shaped or the right size.
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Dynamike,

The harness you have will always slide faster than feathers. Because the dove's wing tips are crossed in the sleeve with the tail, the dove won't try to fly until the harness is unpeeled. The dove's feet will be out before the the wings can move. This is why these harnesses are made for me.


At first I was thinking if the dove was inside of the Invisible Dove Harness the same time he is inside of the Newspaper Harness. The advantage will be the string as a pull, pulling the Newspaper Harness out the same time from the holder. One disadvantage is as you mentioned, the dove will continue to have a harness on him. Another disadvantage is the Invisible Dove Harness' string might get caught somewhere in the newspaper or Newspaper Harness making it harder to let loose the dove. I will forget about that thought now.

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(I ought to charge you a million dollars for this!) Get his feet comfortable on your finger before sliding the harness off. MOVE THE DOVE, not the harness. Raise him just a little and then lower him. He will flutter his wings but hold on to your finger. The harness is gone! The large motion hides the smaller one.


Yes, I see the difference. I would of never thought about that. I owe you $1,000,000.

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I haven't needed an invisible harness in the last twenty-five years! I think they are dangerous for the dove. When I produce a dove there is NOTHING on him. He can be perched on a wand and passed around the audience and there is nothing to see but a real dove and wand.


I understand.

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Yes! Attach your line on the harness under the neck. The harness is reinforced there on purpose. Note the collar tube with elastic. Too much said.

Bob Sanders
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PS --- You can use a black fishing swivel (snap) and there will be no need to sew. Just punch it through. And because of the range of motion and center of balance your dove will always be head up and feet down. You won't have to look during the steal! It's a far cry from a dove in a folded wash cloth bag that isn't dove shaped or the right size.


Thank you. I will work on this today because my one concern is a quicker steal.
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The one I use is by Bazar de Magia sold at hocus-pocus. It works great and is inexpensive.

Take care,

Bryan
Posted: Mar 2, 2007 6:01pm
Daytonamagic also sells two different ones.

Take care,

Bryan
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