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Chintamani
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I have never used IT but am interested in learning some effects and techniques. What would be a good starting point? I have heard of the LeClair(?) hookup...where could I find further info about this? Any pointers from you guys who are IT experts would be very much appreciated.
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The LeClair hook-up can be found on his video 'Who's Afraid of Invisible Thread'.

For me it's been an effective method - it has an almost instant reset, it's very natural and some of the effects can be pretty mind-blowing to laymen in the right situations.

It also comes with a small amount of putty and thread & gives a method for harvesting thread VERY cheaply.

FWIW, I've also heard nothing but good things about Ammar's Invisible Thread videos which also teaches various hookups including the LeClair method.
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The Ammar tape doesn't really cover the LeClair hook up in much detail, so if you want to use it you should really go for the book or video. When I first tried it I didn't like it at all, and it will take a fair amount of work to get the best from it, but now for me it's the only way to go. The major factor for me is that you can do it anytime anywhere (within limits!). I also tried loops but I don't like em!
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I just got Jon Allen's video, 'Spectators Don't Exist' and it has a KILLER effect using IT. He has a very deceptive hookup that I love, because it's fast and easy. I hate clipping pulls up my sleeve and having to take off my shirt to hood something up. This one hooks up easily. Anyway, the effect is an animated borrowed bill in a wine glass, that can be held by the spectator. The kicker finish is when the bill actually jumps out of the glass and flies into your hand. This is a borrowed bill and an ungimmicked wine glass, both of which can be examined before and after. I highly recommend this video for that trick alone, as well as the others on it.
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Check out the Leclair Animator at:
http://www.leclairanimator.com/

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I was told that there was some discussion going on here about IT work. So I thought I'd pop in and see if I can be of any assistance. I do quite a bit of IT work. This is my first post here so I thought I'd jump right in.

The hook ups that have been mentioned in this discussion are great ones. When I think about it though, I've never seen a bad IT hook up. If it causes the object to do what I want it to do and the movent of the object and the performer looks magical. Then the effect will be successful.

My point is. The best way to master IT work is to actually play around with it. Experiment. That includes experimenting with what others have come up with. This will not only allow you to use invisible thread for what it is. Which is an invisible means of support. You'll also get to know the thread you are working with. The better you know it the less trouble you'll have. It'll break less often on you and you'll have more control over the object you are animating.

Then it's a simple matter of thinking up what you want to accomplish then working out a way to do it. Knowing what the IT can do will allow this.

I have lengths of thread all over my house right now. Running from floor to ceiling. Wall to wall (Not everywhere. I mean I do live here too.. lol) I use lengths of IT that are 30 feet long for some things. Two inches long for others. So a lot can be done with IT.

Before I get any responses that to much IT work in one show isn't good. I'll just say that I completely agree to that. All though a lot more can be done with IT then just making things move or float.

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The IT allows you to do a lot of effects. Now I am thinking of Steve Fearson´s Cigarrette routine (http://www.downloadmagic.com)

A great great floating cigarrette.

Or you could do a lot of stuff with a deck of cards... and so on.

The limit... your imagination.

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I agree. Fearsons hook up is great.

There is a lot about that hook up that is very over looked though. It seems so many limit themselves to just making a cigarette, a ball or a dollar bill float.
I use this hook up to cause an ice cube to rise and sink in a glass of water. Then float out of the glass. It ends up floating into my mouth.
I also use it to make a coin visibly float from one hand to the other. Adding a visual, or slow motion phase to a coins across.

I use another set up that is part Fearsons and part my own. The effect looks the same until at one point the floating object stops moving, then I just walk away from it while it's floating in one spot. From across the room I cause it to float around the room.

So as you said. Your only limited to your imagination.

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Chintamani
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Thanks to all...I will get a copy of The Art of Invisible Thread to get me started.
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I have also never used IT but would like to start using some IT effects. I was considering purchasing Ammar's Invisible Thread DVD's.

You guys know what you're talking about so is this DVD set good for someone who has NEVER worked with IT before?
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The DVD set is pretty good. It's kind of hard for me to give an accurate answer to that questions though because I only learned a couple of small things from them. Mainly because I've used it a lot already.

At the moment I'm writing a book on IT work. It'll be a while before it's out though. A lot of detail on IT work will be covered in this book. It will have some tricks, routines and hook ups in it, but more importantly it'll go over how to perform with IT.

Just to share a little of what's in the book. I'll share a few of the points that it'll go over.

The first thing you'll want to do when attempting to do thread work is to really get to know the thread you are using. It's kind of like in martial arts when learning to use a weapon. They sometimes say that the weapon is an extension of yourself and you really have to know it that well in order to master it.
In IT work. The thread really is an extension of yourself in a lot of hook ups. So the more you know about it's limits and strengths, the better you'll be able to control it and it'll break less often on you.
The best way to get to know the thread is to actually just play with it. I've spent hours playing with my cat with something attached to the end of the thread. Smile

Of course you'll have to learn about proper performing situations such as lighting. Just as importunely, you have to learn to make the effect look like magic. This includes making the object move smoothly and also you're actions have to suggest that you are causing it to happen.

This is what make a lot of magicians turn away from IT work. It's so unlike other forms of magic. For example card magic. In card magic you may use a magical gesture or two, but you really don't have to look like you, and you alone are making the magic happen.
I call this "Using the force." I know it's a little corny, but you really do have to kind of act like you're Luke Skywalker using the force to cause an object to move. This doesn't always have to be serious though. I could just as easily see Skywalker cause objects to come to life using the force to get a laugh too so a comical presentation is possible.

I also go over basic hook ups and tricks and the proper way to do them. When I say proper, I'm talking about how to rig the bill on the thread so it doesn't look like you're putting the bill on anything. That can be just as much of a give away as them actually seeing the thread.

Well, I'll post to let everyone know when it is available. I've already got a small list of people who are waiting. Writing a book of this type is a lot of work..
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I have Ammar thread miracles. They have a lot of valuable info on them.
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Excellent, thanks everyone. I'll take the plunge and invest in them.

Ron, I'd be very interested in your book, do you have a mailing list that will notify interested parties when it is ready?
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Can anyone recommend reputable types of IT as well as reputable sources? I've heard Z-Webs is good. Is string IT better than elastic IT?

Also, what's the best kind of wax? The one I received from a vendor is too hard. Anyone know where I can find stickier wax that is transparent, not like putty?
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"Is strong IT better than elastic IT?".

That depends on the person.
I personally prefer non-elastic thread. It's only a personal preference though. I do use some elastic thread for a few tricks I do. I've also seen some amazing things done with the invisible elastic. They both have their uses.
Another thought I have on this is that with an ITR, it's almost like using elastic thread in some routines in a way that the thread can get longer or shorted like it was stretching.

On the issue of the wax. I wonder why you would need transparent wax. I'm not questioning your need for it. I just wonder if it's because you feel that transparent wax will be unseen on the object you're sticking it to.
If that is the case. Transparent wax won't be much good. Because the thread isn't transparent so it'll make the wax dark. It'll also still get darker color after it's used a bit.

The putty is the way to go. If you want it to be invisible you can color it any color you want. You can use a marker to make it black or what ever. You can mix woman's foundation make up to it to make it flesh color and so forth. This way you can make it match the color of the object you are sticking it to.

Let me know if it's another reason you are looking for transparency. You can also just use scotch tape or clear mounting tabs that are found in some stores.

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Wow! Nice website, thanks for that link and for all your other help.

Make sure you announce the book's release here at the Café as well, you're bound to get a lot of interest in it.
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Thank you, Jaxon for answering all my questions in a very informative manner. I'm looking forward to the publishing of your book.

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Hi, Jaxon, can you recommend certain types of puttys? The stuff I keep seeing is blue, so the coloring doesn't work well...
Jaxon
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Click here to go to a site that sells it.

This is the kind of putty I use. You may be able to find it at stores in your area. I find mine at a local convenience store. I've seen it at hardware stores too.

Another kind of putty you can look for is the putty made for covering air leaks around windows. This is usually a light gray.

Well, there is more I can share on this but time is short at the moment. I'll write more a little later.

Hope that helps.
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Ron, you mentioned women's foundation in a previous post, can this be used to make this mounting putty flesh color similar to LeClair's? If so, could you go into more detail as to how to color the putty?

I'm almost out of the additional supply I ordered through his website, he is currently out of stock and has been for weeks.

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