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Nice table Bill.
as for the price of magic, you pay for 3 things:
1. the secret, Its a table, no secret hear.

2. the workmanship. If you don't have the tools, space, or know how to make the trick, it often pays to have some one make it for you.

3. your to lazy to do it your self. this is the one I hate and is my pet peeve. professors nightmare, inviable decks, some one is selling rope tho the neck starting bid $15. the trick is free at any local library, and you can find cotton rope in the $ store (not the best but it will work)

I saw a worker in N.Y.C. doing cups and balls with the best street set up ever. 3 coffee cup, some wadded up bits of paper an some card board boxes. He was turning as good of hats as any one I have seen work this spot. If the cops run him he just dumps it all in the trash an walks. I know more than one busker that has had there stuff "Confiscated" by the police who need to protect us from all the dangerous clowns, jugglers, magicians.

As for the original post, D.I.Y. is all wase going to be cheaper, as long as you have the skills and equipment to do the job. but $70. on a table for the street is way to much. Fairs and the like are another story.
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Is $70 for a street table too much? I don't think so. Are you going to give people on the street less of a show than you would the people you entertain anywhere else? You can't build a table like the one Gazzo uses every day for $70.

Regarding "Professor's Nightmare" -- yes, you can find it in the library free. You can go out and get the rope. But will the version you find in the library be the best version. I doubt it. The best version I know of is in a little know book from Jerry Mentzer called Close-up Cavalcade. There is no "move" when the work happens. Or "Quad-Rope-Lets" which will cost you $30 at a magic shop and packs way more impact that Professor's Nightmare. Buy it once to get the rights, and make your own replacements.

But don't cheat the people who own the rights to various magic tricks out of their cut of the take. It's the same thing as stealing music, DVD's and books.
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First I would like to say that I am playing devils advocate, and agree with mr.palmer about 90%. however I don't think I made my point clear.
performer #1 hits the bricks with his $300. table, and his bret sherwood cups and the like.
performer #2 hits the bricks with some coffee cups, and a card board table. cost $0.
both performers do a 8-10 min show and pull $25-$50 a show and shows are back to back.
At the end of the day the lay persons saw 2 performers make things go from one cup to another, (if any one knows the price of the cups performer #1 will more than likely get mugged)
after 2 days the cops bust both performers and take there stuff. which performer would you want to be at this point?
Yes I agree that you should look good, and to save your sanity you want to have some thing that will last, but the people watching don't know that you are using gazzo cup and more than likely don't care. If you tell them they are the best cups out there for magic, they will think "oh, trick cups" and the best cups out there will not save a bad act.
As far as stealing tricks that is another topic that has little to do with a table.
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I gotta say, after building my most recent street table, I should have just bought one from Frank. There's a lot of work goes into getting it right and making it strong enough to take the beating involved in travel and transport as well as performing.


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On 2007-04-15 18:25, Pokie-Poke wrote:
First I would like to say that I am playing devils advocate, and agree with mr.palmer about 90%. however I don't think I made my point clear.
performer #1 hits the bricks with his $300. table, and his bret sherwood cups and the like.
performer #2 hits the bricks with some coffee cups, and a card board table. cost $0.
both performers do a 8-10 min show and pull $25-$50 a show and shows are back to back.
At the end of the day the lay persons saw 2 performers make things go from one cup to another, (if any one knows the price of the cups performer #1 will more than likely get mugged)
after 2 days the cops bust both performers and take there stuff. which performer would you want to be at this point?
Yes I agree that you should look good, and to save your sanity you want to have some thing that will last, but the people watching don't know that you are using gazzo cup and more than likely don't care. If you tell them they are the best cups out there for magic, they will think "oh, trick cups" and the best cups out there will not save a bad act.
As far as stealing tricks that is another topic that has little to do with a table.


First off, nobody said anything about working the street with your Sherwoods.

Second, if you are worried about the cops busting you for doing a street show, then you haven't learned anything from reading this column.

Third, look at Cellini's table. It's nicely made. Look at Gazzo's table. It's nicely made. Neither of these guys uses junk props. Why should you, or anyone else who is trying to perform at his peak for the gilpins.
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And Fourth -- you were the one who were griping about people who sell tricks actually charging for them when you could pinch them from library books.
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I used to have a great table I made from Maple wood for the legs and marine ply edged with maple and covered in blue leather. It looked fab and I sold it to Pete Waedell. It had lovely tennon jointd and was sturdy. It cost me about 200 bucks for the materials and took days to make. ITws heavy and I'm little so Pete has it now. He haedly uses it as he has a lighyer one now. My curreny table looks good is very light and has telescopic alluminium legs. It was made for me By Warren toaze in Canada. It fiys in a backpack and has a karge top that folds in Half. I think it cost a fair bit to make and loads of time. I'll put picks up on my site oneday soon. It is not quite a sturdt as my old wooden one but more than okay. It light and I love it. So thanks Warren. The point is I don't think a cheap table is a good idea and a cheap top a real bad idea. I would spend more than you can afford and then make yourself earn it back working on the thing. Good tools add to image and that adds to confidence in the performer and apositive perseption from the audience. God I'm becoming a tedious old fart. 30 dollars don't be silly spend some money if nothing else it'll hack the wife off
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Don't buy cheap cups either.
Or else...............I'll starve
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Google stands. wooden tray stands are not strong and will not last .The metal ones are great and last forever but look crap. I have the metal ones as a back up if I loose my table. That's another point a pro should have a full back up kit .Cups, pouch ,table wand etc. I don't know why you need a back up set as I have never needed it. When I started someone told me that so now I'm telling you.
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Don't buy cheap cups either.
Or else...............I'll starve

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G'day Gary,

I totally agree, that Portable Table made by that Warren bloke is the Ultimate. I have one and it rocks!

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G'day Gary,

I totally agree, that Portable Table made by that Warren bloke is the Ultimate. I have one and it rocks!

Max T Oz


If it rocks you can fold up some paper and put it under one of the legs. That is what they do in the restaurants and it seems to help.
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G'day Gary,

I totally agree, that Portable Table made by that Warren bloke is the Ultimate. I have one and it rocks!

Max T Oz


If it rocks you can fold up some paper and put it under one of the legs. That is what they do in the restaurants and it seems to help.



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I don't know how much Warren charges but it must me quite a lot.
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I have a confession My table cost me pennies. It is rock solid and was made by a cabinet maker who saw me perform and couldn't afford to book me. he asked me if he could build something for me and I had just been to Gazzo's master class. I got it unfinished and not pad on top. I spent the money for green pool table felt and a nice coat of minwax and she's done. I have been offered $250 to $300 for the table. I could stand on it it is that sturday and it flods into two pieces.
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There's nothing wrong with that. When I built my Harbin Walkaway suspension, I swapped a show to the fellow who bent the gaff for me.
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I've always wanted a table that floded.
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On 2007-04-15 11:16, Pokie-Poke wrote...

as for the price of magic, you pay for 3 things:
1. the secret, Its a table, no secret hear.

Oh, yes. When I go to my magic dealer and demonstrate that I already know the secret to a particular trick, he knocks about half off the price.

I bought some cups from Gary Animal once. I told him I already know the secret to the Cups and Balls. He charged me double.
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On 2007-04-19 08:51, geemack wrote:
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On 2007-04-15 11:16, Pokie-Poke wrote...

as for the price of magic, you pay for 3 things:
1. the secret, Its a table, no secret hear.

Oh, yes. When I go to my magic dealer and demonstrate that I already know the secret to a particular trick, he knocks about half off the price.

I bought some cups from Gary Animal once. I told him I already know the secret to the Cups and Balls. He charged me double.


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Okay, I'm not a Busker...I'm a wannabe without the chutzpah - yet. But after building a couple of dozen prototypes during the last few years, I've put together a design that works for me and anticipates the coming chutzpah so it can (hopefully) play on the street.

Most of my shows are Parlour/Stage and I wanted some sort of rig that I could perform off of and pack all my gear (small sound system, stands, etc.) into, instead of using a separate dolly. So I built the rig as a dolly, like a vertical shopping card, out of 5/8" welded steel tubing. The lower third of the rig will be covered in 1/4" Finland birch, painted in a brick pattern, and the upper 2/3 will be covered in lightweight green canvas. At the base, the rear wheels and front peg form a tripod stand for stability.

The material cost for this project has been quite modest, about $50. As others have noted, the overhead is outrageous and started accumulating in 1977: A few years of training and apprenticeship as a blacksmith, a couple of years of welding classes, several years of cabinetmaking classes, a lot of on the job experience, and more tooling investment than I can afford. And then there's all those prototypes that were tried and discarded, donated, or sold at a loss. Were I to attempt selling these, the selling price would necessarily reflect these costs.

Bottom line? Yeah, Magic stuff is expensive, and it's often made of pretty common material. Sorta the way granite is common and cheap and sold by the ton..but get a sculptor to remove all the rock that doesn't look right, and suddenly that granite's worth a whole lot more.

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