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Jeremy Brown Regular user 160 Posts |
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On 2007-02-20 22:07, Silly Walter the Polar Bear wrote: What is so special about pg 51? |
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
Hey Doc,
Since he seems to listen to and respect you, why don't you set memph33777 straight on how fast SF would make his head spin regarding gaming knowledge, integrity, practical experience moving and shaking, real-world application of said cheating moves and principles, and the invention or refinement of several "million-dollar moves". He could obviously use an education. J
Eternal damnation awaits anyone who questions God's unconditional love. --Bill Hicks
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memph33777 Loyal user 257 Posts |
I'm saying tweed and jason use your head man. Would bill gates go and take a job somewhere? I don't think so! Because he doesn't need to work! My point is if a hustler gets a job his hustling wasnt about nothing, necessity is the mother of invention! People mostly do things out of necessity! If this guy made more money hustling that doing what he does then he would have kept hustling. I am talking to and about hustler this is my point. I know nothing about hustlers having jobs or snitching.
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walking_liberty Elite user 458 Posts |
Doc's got something real nice here. For anyone that saw the video, I'm sure you'll agree. I've never seen anyone do it as nice.
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
Memph Steve is a teacher and you're dead wrong about him being a coat puller and a snitch. I know I'm wrong for saying this but for the record I will. How can Steve come to a forum and tell you that he's not pulling coats and at the same time work for the casinos?
Steve's new book on Poker protection is great but then again it's not. Why Doc? For every person here this book is a 10 on a scale of 1 - 10 but for me it's a 5. Why? I've witnessed this man's knowledge and have footage of him as Jason clearly mentioned and believe me this book doesn't even half way touch the knowledge that this man have and this is why I'm so disappointed but I understand within myself that this man has to keep and honor the hustler's code of silence but while he’s doing it a lame is running around forums calling him a coat-puller when he’s not. Steve’s Poker Protection book mentions the Steven's cull but never describe how to do it neither does he teach how to do the punch deal. Steve has my punch and my dice hold out (not the obsolete one that he shows) and did not put it in either book. Yes he knows of the K.C. Card Co. punch but neither did he put that in his book. He put old punch pics in his book for the world to see. Steve is doing nothing but cashing in and explaining to the casinos what they already know. 50K Memph you talk about your 50k like it's the ultimate, I made $90k in about 4 hours but I had to split mine 6 ways. 50K may be an ultimate for you and I but the whites laugh at that kind of money. Steve's waterfall that's on the side of his house beside his little gambling house cost over $250,000.00 and you talk about your 50K and this man wouldn't even walk out his door unless the people is talking about a million or better. This man is a living legend. He does what he want when he want almost at anytime he wants...in other words Memph, he doesn't ever have to work in life again. Call up the Gambling Supply Co. in Las Vegas and see what they will sell it for because this man was going to buy it and trust me on this...I wouldn't buy this store with my last money and neither was he. Who's the Real Lame Him or Us You're still hustling and I'm still hustling. This man has retired since the early 90's. You got caught and this man got caught. The jury found you guilty and you went to jail. The jury, the judge and one of the members here at the Magic Café after watching the video footage of the alleged crime he committed found this man innocent. Who's the sucker and who's the professional? You constantly talk about don't give the lame the game and even though this sounds good it's not true at all. Why? Because some one gave you (a lame) the game when you didn’t know and they also gave me the game. This game is passed down by individuals (huslters) who happen to like you for whatever reason and teaches it to you. Note: For verification see my videos of some of the huslters who taught me...are they lame’s for giving me the game? In Frank Garcia's book he talks about a hustler who beat some guys out of their money by doing the Pad Roll shot on them. After some time of which I don't know they wouldn't play him any more so what he did was teach them how to pad roll. Was this man giving up the game? No. After he taught them how to shoot he had his friend who knew how to do the whip shot come in and beat the hell out of these guys. Steve’s gambling knowledge far exceeds that of the average man and since all the best hustlers of the world want to meet and converse with him, the only thing that he can do is get better. The only chance that I have of staying anywhere near him is by conversing here with ya’ll magicians and picking your brains. Memph I know a couple of the best white cheats in the country and they all know and highly recommend Steve as a real player and I can confirm what they say to be true because I met and hung out with him, Sal and his family for about a week. He's not stuck up nor is he prejudice and he has a very kind heart just like me.... I'm just broke. This man is a legend and one of the best that ever did it and have the money to prove it. What they should do on the quiet tip is make a movie about his life story. My Shout Out Steve thank you for the acknowledgement, it was nice of you to mention me. Note: It’s Steve who’s passing me the deck to be switched in my video and Sal is the one who’s video-taping me. "You will also find professional hustlers of all ethnic persuasions....With African-American huslters, for example, many moves tend to have a flamboyant aspect to them, such as many card and deck switches done while holding cash." page 21. I know that this brief post hasn’t cleared things up but ya’ll can trust me on this that this man is no snitch nor is he a coat-puller. He has honored the code. Now if your knowledge is suspect (lacking), don’t get on another because what he’s revealing to you is new because this stuff we’ve already forgotten about. Respectfully, Doc |
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Pavloter Special user 529 Posts |
How about your cull Doc, how is it going?
Pavlo
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imfletcher Loyal user 259 Posts |
Hello Doc,
I saw your Doc/Steven's Cull video on youtube. http://youtube.com/watch?v=lVXTctSrc2c words can not explain how good it is. Congratulations |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I love shuffle work like this thing that Doc is working on. Look at the Zarrow shuffle, it took many years of work developing it. A little idea and a lot work can turn into great thing.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Pavloter Special user 529 Posts |
Looks great Doc.
Pavlo
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memph33777 Loyal user 257 Posts |
Well doc first of all your situation is unique. I don't know how you got your game but the way most real street hustlers get their game is that it is passed down from other hustlers while they r kids. But you have a lot of guys who purchase their game as adults. It is a difference between guys who r taught to hustle as little children by real hustlers and guys who purchase their game from somebody as a adult. A man who purchases his game from somebody as a adult was probaly a trick for a long time. I don't know if you know of the criss angel guy but a lot of the magicians who do the 3 shell game complain that he gets on national tv and shows everybody how to do the 3 shell game. In my opinion real players don't ruin the game for everybody else. Example doc the game you have guys taught it to u. Now if you take that same game and get on dateline nbc and show the whole world how to do every bottom deal, center, second, cold deck move etc and everybody in the world watches then this stuff is dead. So everybody can put their cards down and go home. I didn't say this guy wasnt good because I know he is good. Now I know I am right yall can say what you want to. Necessity is the mother of invention", In my opinion the man has taken his gp job out of necessity, but that's another matter. As with my hustling I like my hustling, I don't know how good your hustling is but I don't need information here from anybody. Anyhow I got a appointment. I will finish this later. but let me say this before I go, TELL THE PLAYERS HOW TO DO IT AND NOT THE CASINOS! AND don't TELL ME THAT THEY R TELLING THE CASINOS THE WRONG THING CAUSE IF ONE OF THEM CASINOS LOSE $1 HE IS GONNA BE OUT ON HIS A##!
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Paul H Inner circle UK South Coast 1135 Posts |
I think Doc's version of the Steven's Cull is incredible. To cull and stack three kings randomly distributed in the deck in four shuffles is close to a miracle. Anyone care to speculate on how in the world this could be done as such speed. I'm already developing a bald patch with this new head scratching.
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Paul H Inner circle UK South Coast 1135 Posts |
Well put Tommy. Personally, I'm grateful that Doc has these human idiosyncracies which includes generosity by the way. Otherwise we would treated to a big fat zero.
Regards, Paul H |
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
Memph as a friend all that you say maybe true but this man is definitely no coat puller. I once was in a car going somewhere with a hustler that was good but I didn't know. He said that the shade movie was giving away the game. I told him that only the lame would say that. He got insulted and I knew it so I pulled out my laptop and showed him my dice switching and cold deck moves. He then realized that I was right and he was wrong. So in other words Steve honestly show what can be done but doesn't teach as you see in his book and the new stuff that he's learning daily he keeps in his memory bank (brain).
Bottom Line .. I can show a hustler 100 moves that doesn't get the money and he will believe that with those 100 moves now he has all the sense and I can still rob him. Gentlemen I can't write back because I'm heading out to hustle. Will get back online Monday. For all you guys who know how to do it please keep it to your self. Take Care Doc |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I would have put the authors name to it but I don’t know who he was.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Unknown419 Inner circle 1321 Posts |
What Tommy quoted is correct but ya'll never read between the lines. Students read between the lines.
Erdnase says one thing but does another. Erdnase shows his skill and dexterity in a book without showing his face. I in turn visually do the same thing he does, don't teach it and never show my face. Sorry but all questions to me even though close will not be answered. This move was lost for a half a century and it will remain that way. I'm going on record today as the inventor or re-inventor of the Doc/Steven's Cull and Control. Note: Ideas and things are always stolen from the black man and I'm here to claim our fame. Respectfully, Doc |
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Pavloter Special user 529 Posts |
Quote: Sly Tommy, it bugged my mind for quite a while man, but I know now, thanks Doc for thatOn 2007-02-23 13:55, tommy wrote:
Pavlo
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Silly Walter the Polar Bear Special user 506 Posts |
Has any of the snitchers hurt your hustling? You sound like you have done fine despite the snitches and coat tail pullers. Seriously, you've got people that expose magic secrets but magicians are still out there every day fooling the masses with the same stuff that had just been exposed and still make bank. Even if Steve Forte released ten more books and DVD's outlining everything he knows, you should still be able to get the money as easy as you did before.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Popeye: Anyone who hates spinach is my emeny!
To hear you guys talk you would think Forte was spinach and you were Popeye.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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reese Inner circle of Hell 1332 Posts |
I'm just a citizen, any hustle I've done... I ain't telling.
But after reading all this thread, feeling disgust at times, I gotta say... Doc, you got integrity and soul. And great hands! A'right, keep moving, carry on, nothing to see here, don't mind me.... |
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