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Dannydoyle
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On 2007-02-21 16:55, Frank Starsini wrote:
Certainly interesting and creative.




To magicians, NOT to people.
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Mr. Santa. perhaps you could explain to me why after nearly every performance I do the names of Blaine and Angel surface in conversation?

They have brought magic back into the public eye and our homes via a NEW performing style. I don't advocate how they do what they do or why, but they sure make thousands of times what I make performing my craft.

I have never been asked, "hey, Mr Magic, you know that guy Roth? ever seen the one where....?

YouTube is full of sixteen year olds performing various effects marketed by newer magicians(very poorly mind you) but has this age demograph always been attracted to magic eg in 1975???

Forums are full of people asking about Sinful and asking how to levitate.
Was coin bite sold in the hundreds ten years ago?

Doug Henning appeared on TV bringing Magic back into the household and quickly became a household name (like Blaine and Angel). I highly doubt you would make the same comments about Mr. Henning.

The whole thing here is to be creative, and try something new.
A new style of performance.
Perhaps something that hasn't been done before that would leave a really impactful, positive, magical experience.
Like 100 people skipping double dutch on a dark stage with glow in the dark skipping ropes all to the music of an electronic orchestra accompanied by Metallica.Tough to coreograph, yes. Experience definately.

Look at Stomp as an example.
Two guys walk into an office in New York somewhere, and say "Hi, I want to drum on these here garbage cans as a broadway show and I can do really neat rythms with these Zippo lighters." There are now 3 Stomp companies in UK and 3 in North America performing for the last 15years. (still with garbage cans)

Dannydoyle, is that really going to be your contribution to this topic?

This is supposed to be creative for magicians, this is a magicians forum.
Look up top, Magicians HELPING Magicians.
If you don't want to contribute constructively then don't post.

Will//
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Fitzkee did something similar on stage in his famous stage magic show--a show which was almost universally panned, and made many question the overall value of his theories.

The Grand David company did something similar with ten magicians on stage doing the newspaper tear at once, if I remember it correctly.

The Show Girls of Magic all do a dancing cane routine together, which actually seems to work very well as entertainment--but six lovely girls in skimpy costumes dancing to music and each charming a big stick into a dance is pretty decent fun in my mind.

But as magic, it wasn't their strongest bit.

That sort of thing to me is interesting, but the problem it has is that it sort of cheapens all the effects. If ten people in the same room can all do the same thing, then how rare, strange, difficult, or special can it be?

For ten magicians to all get together and study for something that will only be done if at all, very rarely, and pay--of necessity--very little, seems strange to me.

How do you sell something like this to a company--without the benefit of a big name and references from other companies or video of a similar event?

I don't see this as a commercial venture at all. If it happens, it would probably be at a magic event like a club banquet or convention.

If that went really well, and you got good video footage of the event, then you might be able to sell it to a company. It might work best, in that case, if the performers all used a trick to introduce a new product or present a new marketing scheme at a sales meeting or customer banquet.

Even so, I think it reduces magic and helps turn magicians into interchangeable
units. "I need three close up guys and a stage guy." That's not the way I like to see magicians marketed.

Magic as a commodity, or as a vehicle to sell unrelated ideas is not evil or unethical, but it sure is not my idea of advancing an art form.

Magic should be unique, and give expression to the individual that is presenting it.
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"Even so, I think it reduces magic and helps turn magicians into interchangeable
units"

Definately not my intent.

I thank you for references in your post and for the thoughtfull insight on why this won't work.

See, I have been offered $28,000 for three shows if I can pull it off. It has to be unique, can't go longer than 30 min and a new product has to be incorporated into the show.

No money in it.....have you tried?
There obviously is money in it.

So I ask for creative input in a place that I consider to be a wealth of information and skilled professional around the globe.

Maybe, I should stick to walkaround for free beer.
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I guess you were looking for comments in agreement with your idea rather than those contrary to it. I'll keep that sensativity in mind for the future. Oh, Santa is the first name not last. The only magician currently on TV to my knowledge is Angel, Blaine isn't on the radar any longer. I frequently have people bring up Houdini, does that make him a valid performer of todays age? Seems myself and a couple others don't find the idea as great as you do, sorry about that. Oh, Henning is never brought up in conversations I have with people, Copperfield is though.
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There is a difference between criticism, constuctive criticism, telling me it won't work and telling me why it won't work.

"I think that ten magicians rising and removing their coats at the same time wouldn't be magical entertainment it would be distracting as one would be looking from one magician to another and I doubt it would be enjoyable."

People looking from one magician to the other creates wonder and anticipation. One of the great parts of an opener. What are they doing and what is going to happen next. It commands attention.

I never thought the idea was great. My intent was to take constructive criticism and contributions to POSSIBLY make a great happening.

So far I have received:

Too expensive to put together for a fair price
Difficult to choreograph/logistics
Might work with card manipulation
Clever, creative, interesting
Might work at a magicians banquet
Some interesting references of those that have tried a similar structure
It may impact magic in a negative way...and why

None of which are in agreement in any way and when they offer criticism it is constructive.

Henning brought a dying art back into the home. Fact.
Blaine did the same thing and did it on the streets.
Angel kept it going with extreme effects.

My idea is not great.
Yet.

The director of promotions is my old school friend and a lover of magic. If I can come up with a show I can pitch the idea and maybe they will go with it. I have two years to work on it.

Or, they might just hire Blaine. I hear he is out of work.
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What are you trying to acheive? What impact do you want this to have on the audience? At each table, something is going on...but it is the same thing. So...are the people at each table supposed to be focussing on what is going on at their table or are they supposed to focus on what is happening at the table next to them? Or are they supposed to focus on "their magician," but be peripherally aware of the others? Again, to what end? To be impressed with the individuals acts of magic themselves or with the ability to arrange this display of "synchronized magic" (and I do believe it would be impressive effort)? If each table isn't supposed to "care" about the others, what is the point? If each table is supposed to care about the others, then to what end?

One thing that came to mind as I was thinking about your idea was those cellphone-coordinated "mob" events where a group of people suddenly show up somewhere simultaneously, perform some predetermined action, then suddenly disperse. How might that be relevant to what you are doing (bearing in mind that the magician is going to be a "stranger" at each of the tables...an odd-man out, if it is, say a banquet for a business or organization in which everyone knows each other)?

Also, consider a three-ring circus. You have three different locations in which something is happening, but there is a different thing happening at once. The audience chooses to watch what they want...or what is convenient for them to watch (i.e., the most visible). How might this be relevant to what you are thinking of, if at all?

Just a few things to think about...
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LOL! Hire David Blaine! Good one man, you are alright Blink....get Blaine to do a show...man...
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Thank you very much.
The questions posed make me think deeper about the experience and almost put me there as a lay person.

I am after creating an experience on a bigger scale. Doesn't mean they have to do the same effects. The first bit of magic is some guy that was sitting at the table the whole time or maybe they appear in a puff of smoke...

The mob events you talk about create a real experience and a thought of "wow, what was that that just happened."

Kinda like magic.
Thanks again for the thought generating questions.
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Most of my comments were on the artistic merits, and on the difficulties of selling such an idea.

If you have a client interested, and with the money, you can certainly pull this off in a reasonable and satisfactory manner.

At $1500 bucks per performer for three fifteen to thirty minute shows, you still have $1300 for props and your own profit, and can hire top-notch local guys.

In that situation, sell the *** shows.

You can make it work well enough to please your client.

Never, ever, say no to found money like that. What is the worst that can happen if it doesn't work so well? You may lose future bookings, but that isn't so awful. Put together the best show you can for the money. GTFM.

Perhaps you only need the performers to open and close with the same dramatic effects, streamers, fire, sparks, liquid, etc., and then closing with a snow storm.

They can each do their own best magic for the rest of the time. Perhaps you can end with a visually stunning stage effect to kick off the stage show and awards, sales presentation or what have you, or have snow makers filling the room with flakes as the lights focus on the stage show.

Something like Jason Latimer's laser effect, or an elevator production of the main speaker, or a car production (were that the product) would work very well.

You needn't put the magicians at the table for dinner. You may have the lights dim and something happening on the stage, and when the lights go back up, magicians in tuxes and masks or other costumes (keep that simple so you don't go spending a lot on costumes) are standing at each table.

I think this shouldn't be hard to put together at all, if you have the money and the client.

Making a client's idea come true is a creative challenge that you should have a lot of fun completing.
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I might as well jump into the fray!

Blink, if you've been offered $28,000, then DO IT!

A few things to think about:

Don't hire amateurs; for this kind of money you should be hiring people who know what they're doing.

I think 15 minutes would be too long; I think 7 to 8 minutes would preferable, but your client may not agree.

I wouldn't have the magicians just start cold; that would confuse people and it would take them a couple of minutes to catch up. I would have an emcee kick it off saying something like "Ladies and gentlemen, get ready to experience the magic of Bubbly Shampoo!"

Personally, I think this is a cool, wild idea. Good luck with it and keep us posted!

See ya!
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I have two years to prepare an experience and the pitch.

I like the ideas Whit. Especially the ending with a snowstorm.

Thanks for the input folks. I am a little more positive about moving forward with this idea now.

A lot of work will go into this and I may be looking for consultants in the next couple of months. PM me if you might be interested.

A room of 100 key shareholders finish dinner.
MC starts to talk about the evenings events to come.
An interruption mid sentence and..
Lights out.
Complete darkness.
Music plays.
Lasers dance around the room.
A flash of fire (permits granted for fire dept.)
Bring up the house lights and...
Each table has a magi ready to perform.


This is getting good. It's already miles ahead of where the original idea was.

Feel free to add or subtract
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On 2007-02-24 10:54, blink_inc wrote:

I may be looking for consultants in the next couple of months. PM me if you might be interested.


I'm available. My fee is $27,000. Smile
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On 2007-02-23 15:19, blink_inc wrote:
Mr. Santa. perhaps you could explain to me why after nearly every performance I do the names of Blaine and Angel surface in conversation?

They have brought magic back into the public eye and our homes via a NEW performing style. I don't advocate how they do what they do or why, but they sure make thousands of times what I make performing my craft.

I have never been asked, "hey, Mr Magic, you know that guy Roth? ever seen the one where....?

YouTube is full of sixteen year olds performing various effects marketed by newer magicians(very poorly mind you) but has this age demograph always been attracted to magic eg in 1975???

Forums are full of people asking about Sinful and asking how to levitate.
Was coin bite sold in the hundreds ten years ago?

Doug Henning appeared on TV bringing Magic back into the household and quickly became a household name (like Blaine and Angel). I highly doubt you would make the same comments about Mr. Henning.

The whole thing here is to be creative, and try something new.
A new style of performance.
Perhaps something that hasn't been done before that would leave a really impactful, positive, magical experience.
Like 100 people skipping double dutch on a dark stage with glow in the dark skipping ropes all to the music of an electronic orchestra accompanied by Metallica.Tough to coreograph, yes. Experience definately.

Look at Stomp as an example.
Two guys walk into an office in New York somewhere, and say "Hi, I want to drum on these here garbage cans as a broadway show and I can do really neat rythms with these Zippo lighters." There are now 3 Stomp companies in UK and 3 in North America performing for the last 15years. (still with garbage cans)

Dannydoyle, is that really going to be your contribution to this topic?

This is supposed to be creative for magicians, this is a magicians forum.
Look up top, Magicians HELPING Magicians.
If you don't want to contribute constructively then don't post.

Will//



I love when people don't get the answer they are looking for they scream we are supposed to HELP.

Well telling the truth helps sorry if you don't like it.
Danny Doyle
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I sense a heckler in the crowd.
(magi prepares comeback line)
(magi doesn't waste his time)
I am a Sankey addict....please, help me!

My name is Will, my company is Blink, an experience in transposition.
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Well here is one.

For a magician, you have a lot of ¨fantasy land¨ posts.
Danny Doyle
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Isn't it great.

Fantasy and dreaming the impossible is what drives innovation and forward progression of industry, including the art that we all practice.

Imagination is what we hope all of our spectators have in order for us as performers to bring a little fantasy into their lives if even for a moment.

Imagination and creativity is obviously something you lack. Which makes me wonder what you have contributed to the art with your 5062 posts.

If we were in the boardroom and I was leading a brainstorming session not unlike this one, I would ask you to leave the room.
You are not contributing to the evolution of an idea.
You are discouraging open thought, and still have not provided any constuctive criticism.

This is the second post of mine that you have done the same thing.

If you don't have anything to contribute then just don't.
Inner circle my ass.
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Dang Blink, you really consider yourself a forward thinking artist! Could be the problem. I have this image of the last part of Blazing Saddles with magicians.
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Brainstorming questions consist of ideas you may not like. For instance reality.
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