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Yall nedd to let go off your hatred towards Valentino. That is his Myspace and he is cool with me. As stated here laypeople don't remember what was exposed and now in retrospect his work makes ours more interesting.
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No hate, only love.

I agree 1000%!! Valentino's contributions are the best thing to ever happen to magic as an art and a craft. He should be hailed as a liberator from age old methodology.

And I agree, that his actions are not remembered and at the same time made our work more interesting.

By exposing our methods, he frees us from taking people into a new world, for we become tricksters. We no longer are tasked with bringing back a lost state of childhood astonishment. We are able to focus on what is important.... sucker effects and really good trick methods. Magic for magicians, for the whole world. One big magic club. Maybe they should teach a trick on the morning news, and we could all practice it together.
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Since you agree 1000% I take it you are being sarcastic. I also agree with you in that there should be a trick on the daily news. The best magician is one who would take that trick and make it unique, still fooling all the people who knew how to do the trick with a different method. All I'm saying is the masked magician is making a comeback soon and the old work might come out on DVD soon, so watch out!!! The new age of magic is here!!
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On 2007-03-17 00:50, Atom3581 wrote:
All I'm saying is the masked magician is making a comeback soon and the old work might come out on DVD soon, so watch out!!! The new age of magic is here!!


New age of magic is here????

Sounds like the same ol crap that Val used to spout about his specials. He'd say his show would spur magicians on to create new illusions and abandon the old ones. Come to think of it he also ended the last show with.. " In the next few years you'll see me performing new and exciting magic! "

I suppose he's going to start that new and exciting magic career when OJ finds the real killer!!! LOL

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Valentino has acheived acclaim after his specials, just in other countries. He is almost a cult hero in Brazil. He has (not singlehandedly) forced us to be more creative and stop relying on old outdated methods. Time to get rid of all the cliched bunny rabbits and zig zag ladies already. Quit beating a dead horse.
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Yah. Cups and Balls should be the first to go. How could you possibly fool someone with a trick that's been around since ancient Egyptian times? I'd much rather buy something that is hot and new, than suffer through some outdated Tarbel effect.
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Magic is not all about fooling people. Cups and Balls is widely exposed yet a good magician still makes it entetaining. Tarbell is a great volume. Since you would rather "buy" something new you aren't really getting in on the new age of magic. Maybe you should think of some new magic on your own instead of buying somebody else's stuff, then you would be a part of the new age of magic.
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Maybe you should think of some new magic on your own instead of buying somebody else's stuff, then you would be a part of the new age of magic.


I keep hearing that word "new". Can you tell us ANYTHING new Val ever performed????? If he's responsible for the new age of magic then surely he must have lots of NEW magic to show us?

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So the "new age of magic" includes the methods used in Cups & Balls, and Tarbell? But I thought those old methods were holding us back. Didn't you argue, someone was doing us a favor by exposing them?
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Val did nothing new, correct. He is more so responsible for ushering out the old age. The new age of magic encompasses everything from the old age of magic, but realizes that you can't keep fooling people with the same tricks. Eventually the methods will be leaked, so you have to be more creative.
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... you can't keep fooling people with the same tricks. Eventually the methods will be leaked, so you have to be more creative.

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Magic is not all about fooling people. Cups and Balls is widely exposed yet a good magician still makes it entertaining.

I agree with one of you.


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As far as the out with the old concept, can you name a competent magician performing "new age" magic, who doesn't have a through understanding of the classics? How many "new" methods are not discussed in Fitzkee's The Trick Brain?
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A mastery of the "old" classics is a must for any good performer, agreed. There are an infinite number of new methods that are not in Fritzke's book, because there are an infinite number of new methods. So which of me do you agree with?
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Hmmm? An infinite number of methods, not mentioned by Fitzkee? I see.
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See I think for myself. I don't care what Fitzkee's book says. I believe there is infinite possibility in our universe, so therefore there are infinite methods. You will only find finite methods when reading other peoples material, but inside your mind is the infinite. My advice to all magicians, stop reading other peoples stuff if you already have a good amount of knowledge use that to create your own effects.
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I agree.

No more reading for me. I'm going to invent the wheel.
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Atom, that philosophy almost sounds Vulcan: Infinite diversity from infinite combinations, or IDIC.
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Try inventing something that is not yet invented.
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I'm just goofing around Atom. You're alright!
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