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Steve Hoffman
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I am a music lover and really care about music sounding good. In my mobile DJ business, I use JBL EONs for smaller jobs. I have heard some performers using Passport systems where to my ears the sound tinny and annoying.

SteveB of Guitar Center, since you're an audio expert and recommend the Passport, could you comment on the audio quality of sound (such as a music excerpt - or a person talking) coming thru a Passport 250 vs. a JBL Eon 10?

Thanks,
Steve Hoffman
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Andy Wonder
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On 2003-10-19 11:20, SteveB wrote:
I have always thought the Passport 150 or 250 would be great for a magician. It is a pretty compact system in that the speakers and the power/mixer section clamp together. So it would only add one more trip to the car.


I think most people would agree the JBL Eons produce a better Hi-Fi sound. However most of use here use our PA for magic shows not not being DJ's. I have a Passport 250 and music reproduction was only one feature I considered when I purchased the unit.
Andy Wonder, Auckland, New Zealand
Michael Messing
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As a performer who has owned a Passport P-150, Passport P-250 and now owns a pair of JBL Eon G2 10s, I can see the advantages of all three systems.

The P-150 is the most convenient and lightweight. It's incredibly easy to take with you. For someone who is primarily using it to amplify a voice rather than music, it's really great. For music reproduction, it's somewhat lacking.

The P-250 is a big improvement in music reproduction over the P-150 but it's also a lot heavier and a lot bigger. While it definitely is more powerful and has much better coverage, it's still not the best music reproduction.

The JBL Eon G2 10s are incredible at music reproduction. The bass response out of those small speakers defies logic! (I've had professional musicians swear that I must have sub-woofers hidden somewhere.)

The JBLs are no more heavy than the P-250, but they do require additional set up. You have to have a separate mixer and you have to run additional extension cords as each speaker is self-powered. (The Eons weigh 23 lbs. each while the Passport P-250 weighs 52 lbs, if I remember correctly.)

I chose the JBLs because I wanted great sound reproduction. About 20% of my shows are illusion shows so the additional set up involving the JBLs is not that big a deal. I have to be there two hours in advance anyway to get the illusions set up.

Of course, the JBLs do have another advantage. You can easily use one and get more coverage than a P-150 and pretty close to the P-250. The JBLs are 175 watts each and they are extremely efficient. Put a small mixer and one speaker together and you can cover most situations!

That's why I sold the P-150 and the P-250. I was using the P-150 80% of the time because of convenience and the P-250 the rest of the time. With the JBLs, I use the same system for most of my shows. I just don't always use two speakers. More often than not, I use a single speaker.

(The only exception is when I am using my battery-powered system for outdoor shows or where getting to an outlet is a real problem.)

There is one additional downside to the JBL Eon G2 10 speakers: Each one costs quite a bit more than a P-150 and close to the cost of a P-250. (When you add in the mixer, the JBL Eons cost more than a P-250 and that's with only one speaker.

Michael
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Magicmikey has got some good advice and brings up some good points. The Eon10s are great speakers, But at times I have heard the 10's sound kind of thin.
The Eon Power15's are even better.

But I would never ever use a passport at a DJ gig. Not even on a dare. It is just not what they are designed for. And if you do an illusion show where music is a very big part of the show I would go with something more substantial. At least some 15 inch two way speaker of some kind.

What makes the Passports good IMHO is the fact that the whole system is quite compact, powerful,easy and if set up and EQ'ed right they sound good for most magicians uses. But you know it always depends on the source. How good are your mic's? And what about your music? I have heard some really bad music a magic shows. Some of it sounded like it was recorded off the radio!

If you really want to go all the way. Go for the Eon Power15 G2's there is no way they will sound thin! Or get a good powered head and some good club speakers and stands and you can play any where.

It really just depends on what you are up for. How much extra stuff you want to lug around and how much money you have to spend. I think for most magicians the passports will work really well.

Remember in the world of audio there is always something better.
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Steve

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Michael Messing
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Steve,

I should have pointed out that my illusion shows are done primarily in hotel banquet rooms, not big halls, so the Eon 10s are more than enough to handle those circumstances.

I find that anytime I'm working a facility that is large enough to require something bigger than I own, the client has usually highered a professional sound man with his own system. And, of course, these guys come in with giant cabinets and plenty of power.

Michael
James Fortune
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The BEST sound systems/PAs are:

Click Here! and Click Here! (for private house work)

PEAVEY ESCORT 2000 Click Here! and Click Here! (for cabaret and halls)

Check 'em out

And, no, I don't have money in either company! Smile
Warmest regards
James

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Old thread but Im shopping for a wireless system also.

I found this Hisonic system complete on EBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie......03856520

Heard some good things about Hisonics even though they are very inexpensive. I'd like to get the FloridaMagic 767 but its a bit much right now for me.


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I have used Eons and both versions of the Passport. If I remember correctly MagicMikey had the original Passport models P-150 and P-250. There is a huge difference in the redesigned Passport digital systems pD-150 and pD-250 which have the speakers designed by BOSE and digital feedback elimination so the units can be Behind you. I have to repeat that having owned the original and the new models it is not a small difference it is a Major difference in sound.

That being said I still would ironically Not use them as a DJ (would not use my JBL either) but do consider the pD-250 heafty enough for ballroom illusions. At half volume you will knock their socks off.

Michael is a smart guy so I am not contradicting him. He always has good advise and experience but be aware that new models are different.
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Andy Leviss
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Even with FBX, DON'T PUT THEM BEHIND YOU. If you do that, the FBX will be fighting feedback so much that it'll chop the sound to heck and come out sounding awful. FBX's are a less than perfect solution that should be used to provide a little bit of an edge in eliminating feedback that occurs just occasionally due to the acoustics of a given room. You're totally misusing it to put the speakers in a situation where they'd be nearly continuously feeding back like that and then letting the FBX do its thing to get rid of it.
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Has anyone done a comparison between the Peavey Escort 2000 and the Fender Passport 150? I have been looking at both of them. The Peavey system looks more portable (wheels on it), but has anyone compared the sound (both are 2 - 75 Watt systems)?
Sleightly yours,
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Yes indeed! I love the Escort and it sounds great. It is Not more portable and needs those wheels. At more than twice the weight (60lb) of the Passport PD150 (only 28lb) it weighs closer to the powerful PD250 which I wished did have wheels.
The D150 is much easier to carry with its tapered suitcase design.

I use the Peavey at a permanent museum location where it need not be moved and like it as well. Nice clean sound.
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I own a PD150, and just love it. It is so easy to transport and set up quickly. My system weighs 36 pounds, and I also have the speaker stands and boom mic stands in a separate carry bag, but they are aluminum and pretty lightweight. Also, the PD150 does have excellent sound for voice, and very good music sound as well for most magic/illusion shows. The only thing it lacks in the music department is the heart-thumping bass that other systems may provide, but I've found that for my situation, the benefits of it being so lightweight and portable make it the best system I could ask for, and I very highly recommend it.
Leland Stone
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Hiya, Magi:

I know nothing about sound systems -- I've never operated an amp, mixer, or other audio-related equipment with the exception of radios and similar devices. Nor do I care to invest the time in learning (a matter of prioritization and desire, rather than laziness).

That being said, is there such a thing as a simple, self-contained, lightweight, low-maintenance system for amplifying one's voice during Magic performances? Cordless power is a plus, wireless mike another plus, durability, under 20 lbs., and EASE OF USE are advantages; five bills or less is another big plus.

I've seen systems for around $350, but they come in a ROLLER CASE fer cryin' out loud -- effectively doubling the gear I gotta pack to a gig. I don't have a roadie! Help!

Leland
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Hi Leland:

The Florida Magic system sounds perfect for you. It meets everything you just mentioned. Plus, it's received a lot of good reviews from magicians.

Here's the link:

http://floridamagic.bizhosting.com/floridamagic_pas767.html

Ron
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I will second the pd150 it lacks nothing inreagrds to sound and music. I play mine for 600 kids at a time in schools and I am only turning just past the half way mark. I could very easily use it on 1000 people.

Ken
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Ive had my Hisonic 321 for about a year now and would like to add a better wireless headset mic to it. I get too much feedback and fade out with the one that came with it.

The 35 watt amp is fine....

Any ideas?

Thanks

Well found out having not used it for a while it works a lot better with the antenna raised, duh.
Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie
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On 2005-02-02 17:42, Candini wrote:
Ive had my Hisonic 321 for about a year now and would like to add a better wireless headset mic to it. I get too much feedback and fade out with the one that came with it.

Hi, Candini!
IMHO, the best choices for a new RF system are Shure SLX (or PGX, depending upon your budget), but the Sennheiser Evolution systems are also excellent.

By the way, what do you mean when you say you're getting "fade out" with your current system? If you can be very specific, I may be able to help. Was the problem eliminated when you added the antenna?
Cheers!
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Thanks Dan,

I think I had the fadeout when I walked out into the audience. I found turning the speaker away from my walking path eliminated the feedback but some fadeouts occur from deadspots I believe. I would have to experiment with the antenna length though. I need to take this to the school gyms prior to my performance to test it out with a fresh everready battery.

It is only 35 watts but seems to be sufficient for most venues. Its also VHF but I don't seem to get any interferences from other sources.
Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie
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On 2005-02-08 03:30, Candini wrote:
I would have to experiment with the antenna length though.

Candini,
For the RF systems we use, antenna length doesn't have to be exact, but it needs to be pretty close. If you can tell me the frequency of your system, I can tell you the ideal length.

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Its also VHF but I don't seem to get any interferences from other sources.

As a rule, ain't nuthin' wrong with VHF. If it's working fine, then it's working fine. When you need to (or are ready to) buy a new system, there'll be lots of good choices.
Cheers!
Dan McLean Jr
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Thanks Dan. Here is the info on my unit:

This excellent wireless microphone system comes with a high quality 235 mHz area VHF Wireless Belt pack transmitter with a choice of the lapel microphone or the headset microphone that can transmit up to 300 feet to the VHF receiver built into the 35 watt dual channel PA speaker / amp. NO dangling wires or batteries to worry about for the receiver. A high quality 235 mHz area VHF Wireless Handheld Microphone is also included for true versatility and for use instead of the belt pack transmitter.

The HQ Dual Channel (Channel 1 is used for the internal wireless receiver and Channel 2 and Channel 3 is used for other 1/4" plug microphones that can be used for additional users). The compact 35 Watt AC/DC/Rechargeable Amplified Speaker operates from a built in AC power supply with the included AC cable or with the built in hq rechargeable battery. The speaker/amp unit has additional inputs for a ONE or TWO 1/4" plug microphones (see our other auctions for add on microphones, both wired and wireless), a 1/4" jack for an audio device (CD or CASSETTE or COMPUTER typically). A separate volume control is available for each of the four potential inputs, a TONE control and an ON / OFF / RECHARGE switch are also on the unit.


Im also curious if this can be plugged into the Fender 150 system and boost the power of the wireless?????
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