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How do you pronounce "equivoque"?

The "correct" pronunciation, according to the English dictionary is "eh-kwih-voke." In French, it would be "eh-kee-voke". But my ex-fulltime magician friend says "eh-kee-voh-kay."

Is this another word like "forte" where people add an accent to the final e that doesn't actually exist?

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Well, being french myself, I can say you are right about the french pronunciation. I have always heard "eh-kee-voke" in English... I don't think you should add an accent on the final "E"


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Either way it sounds ambiguous to me!
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I suppose its whatever choice you make.
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Wise guys. Smile

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I have always used the french version,
and I'm English !
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Don't force me to choose!

In our article on "Forcing" in The Wizards' Journal #8 (on my site) we managed to not mention the word even once, thus avoiding the problem. It's kind of like "The Prestige." A hotsy-totsy word that doesn't help communications because you always have to explain what it means when you use it.
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I believe the word means two different things depending on how it is pernounced. If you ever get a chance to read "Milt Kort's All Outs Think of a Card" it is discussed it in detail. (These are the Ron Bauer Series-- pamphlet type manuals that cost about 10 bucks each and have some really great material--pick a few up).
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The real answer is - it doesn't matter. The English pronunciation is simply an Anglicization of the French. There are those who claim that the third pronunciation is the "magician's prounciation," but there are as many who dispute this.

Almost everyone in magic circles will know what you're talking about regardless of your choice of pronunciation. If you encounter someone who doesn't, just say, "You know, 'magician's choice.'" If he still looks puzzled, it doesn't matter how you pronounce it, he isn't familiar with the principle.

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It was really just a matter of academic curiosity (and the fact that the two-syllable pronunciation of "forte" is an especial pet peeve of mine).

But the first and third pronunciation of "equivoke" are so different that I have to admit to being confused when my friend used the latter. Of course, having heard it once, I wouldn't be confused again.

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My suggestion is to pick any two of the pronunciations, and then eliminate one of those.

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/equivoque

Click on the little speaker, they pronounce the last part similar to envoke.
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I guess that ended the debate, lol
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I never knew this.

According to the Ambitiouscard.com, on their DVD easter eggs site at http://www.theambitiouscard.com/eastereggs.cfm Max Maven''s Nothing (disc two) contains "an interesting revelation by Max on the pronunciation and origin of the word "equivoque"". Per the contributor, "on disc two, if you highlight Eugene Burger's Magical Voyages in the same section, you can view" the above topic.
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Hmmm, what did it say about it?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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and the fact that the two-syllable pronunciation of "forte" is an especial pet peeve of mine


As a musical term, forte is pronounced with two syllables - it's derived from the Italian and not the French.

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On 2007-03-08 08:45, rgranville wrote:
As a musical term, forte is pronounced with two syllables - it's derived from the Italian and not the French.


Oh, believe me, I know. Two things, though: 1) That word is pronounced "FOR-tay", 2) It's a music term. Since people (mis)pronounce "forte" differently and with a different meaning, I don't think the Italian term is really what they're using.

On the other hand, I think "correct" pronunciation is the way most people pronounce words. In that sense, in America, at least, forte is indeed pronounced "for-TAY". But I get a vote too, and I don't like it!

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You can't base proper pronounciation on anything coming from the americans.

As for the music forte, I am pretty certain it is used with it's meaing in mind.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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On 2007-03-07 23:27, gdw wrote:
Hmmm, what did it say about it?



Don't know anything more than the web site, since I don't have the DVD. Was hoping someone here had seen it, though, and whether it resolved this issue in any different way. Since DVD "easter eggs" are mostly hidden, it's entirely possible people who have the DVD have still never seen this one.
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Max also talks about it on volume one of his Videomind series.

He says that the "proper" pronunciation is "eh-kwi-voke," but another pronounciation (though incorrect) is "e-kwiv-ok" and since it's referring to a magician's technique, he likes the "incorrect" pronunciation.

Of course it's been a while since I've seen it, so I could be mistaken.
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