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M@gic Man Regular user Australia 121 Posts |
I don't know if a topic similar to this has ever been posted previously, I did a search and found nothing.
My question is, what is the best close up effect that happens in the spectators hands.(apart from card tricks) Cheers.
Its not what you do, but how you do it.
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SoCalPro Inner circle Southern California 1634 Posts |
Sponge Balls
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
Ugh. Sponge balls.
I know, I know, spectators love it, blah, blah, blah... I just find them to be the most unnatural of props. Hate 'em.
It's all in the reflexes.
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M@gic Man Regular user Australia 121 Posts |
I agree with you meauxfeaux. although Gregory wilsons sponge napkins take away that problem.
Its not what you do, but how you do it.
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mrunge Inner circle Charleston, SC 3716 Posts |
Scotch and Soda. When one coin changes to another in their hands, the look on their face is priceless.
Saw it happen last night, again! Mark. |
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
Agreed, M@gic Man.
Napkins are a far better choice. Much more organic.
It's all in the reflexes.
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BrianMillerMagic Inner circle CT 2050 Posts |
Again with the "unnatural" argument. Sure, sponge balls are not a natural thing to take out of your pocket. But then again, making cards jump to the top of the deck or vanishing coins isn't exactly a natural thing either. When's the last time you saw a layperson pull out a couple of half dollars from their pocket for that matter? The point is that we're presenting as magicians, and so people are expecting to see unusual things. I think sponge balls are terrific and there's nothing wrong with using them, as a magician.
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Justin Craddock Regular user buffalo,ny 127 Posts |
Yes there are something wrong, with sponge balls, and half dollars, and cards. most magicians do not know why they use these props, most magicians only use them because other magicians have used them and cannot think for themselves. the audience maybe expecting unusual things but why make it more unusual bringing out something not normal like half dollars. almost any coin effect can be done with quarter or pennies or dimes. you need a reason for having these props. if you reason is a valid one for carrying it with you then this does not apply to you. Magicians who specialize in nothing but coins or cards already have their reason its how they express themselves. but if you do everything like spongeballs and coins and cards and color changing knives your just doing things that other magicians have done because other magicians have done it. I'll end with there is a problem with using sponge balls and that's not knowing why. because it gets a good reaction is not an answer neither is its a classic or people expect things to be unusual.
"When a performance is over, What remains"
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BrianMillerMagic Inner circle CT 2050 Posts |
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On 2007-03-06 13:50, Justin Craddock wrote: By your logic, no magician should be performing anything that's generally accepted for performing. In that case, everyone would stop doing things that are already being done by everyone else. The problem is that everything in magic is being done by everyone else, unless it's a truly original creation and really there aren't too many truly original creations out there anymore. There is nothing wrong with performing "classics," especially if you put your own personality to work. There is a reason they are classics and a reason they are so generally accepted and used. Most working professionals (including the famous ones) use sponge balls. So these people cannot think for themselves? |
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Douglas.M Elite user 465 Posts |
Don't think of sponge balls as "sponge balls". I don't know what sponge balls are either, but once you come with an original justification for their existance, original presentational avenues will also open up.
One friend of mine calls them "escaped science experiments" called "FungAmoebas". On NOVA (PBS) I saw a special on Neutrinos that had a physics professor doing a "neutrino"-based presentation to a group of students. To me, they are "safety pebbles" for my "snatch the pebble out of my hand, Grasshopper" routine. Before I came up with my presentation, I too shunned the "sponge balls". Why would anyone carry around spherical foam sponges, and why do they do the things they do? Here some other ideas: Hey, I stole this right off the face of a clown who was harassing me. Did you know that clown noses have bizzare properties (as well as the rest of the clown)?? Earphones: drive a nail through two sponges to create holes. Then get a cheap set of knockoff walkmans from a dollar store, pull off the little earphones and stick the sponges on. You could do a "stereo to mono" presentation or something having to do with editing music. Make up: Put a sponge into a makeup compact. Do a spoof on the whole "metrosexual" thing. Use your imagination, it's one of the most powerful tools at your disposal. Douglas M. |
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
Copper / Silver.
Coins Across to their hands. Torn and Restored card or bill. Finger ring and String where the ring is released in their hands. There are many. Even having the last ace of 'Twisting the Aces' turn can be strong. Sponge effects, while not really impromptu items, are very strong. |
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state Loyal user 202 Posts |
I make a borrowed pen float out of and land back in their hand. If I use my own pen I let them keep it. I think the most powerful part of the levitation is the fact that I do not touch the pen after it lands in their hand.
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Bedford Special user Louisville, KY 672 Posts |
I use the 3D sponge rabbits with a racing theme. I made a little box with a wire mesh top (so they can breathe) to house them which has warnings to "keep fingers away" and "do not feed" decoupaged on the outside. I do about 3-4 minutes of build up before the bunnies even come out of the box. It is a very powerful and funny routine which gets screams every time. This is a routine I have been doing for years for corporate clients and every time I do it word spreads like wildfire around the room so by the time I get to a table they are already aware of the trick and are requesting it. It's a goofy trick but the presentation makes it work.
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
Perform them to your heart's content. There's no reason you shouldn't. I've seen many a spectator amazed at a well-executed spongeball routine.
I, on the other hand, have never performed with them and never intend to. That's just me. Not saying it has to be you, too. Now then, Brian Miller, as to your argument about natural and unnatural... you question how different sponge balls are from making cards jump to the top of the deck or causing coins to vanish. Well, frankly they are two very different things. You're comparing apples to cars here. Your comparison involves juxtaposing a prop with the effect one performs with a prop. If you said what is the difference between vanishing a spongeball and vanishing a coin, your argment would follow some logic. But you are attempting to draw a comparison between a thing and an action. Cards themselves are a very natural thing to have, as are coins. People are familiar with them. They identify. They understand the inherent nature of these objects. They are not necessarily, however, familiar with a spongeball (or bunny, etc.) unless they've seen another magician or are themselves a magician (or someone who's dabbled). To compare a vanish with a coin itself simply makes no sense. Savvy?
It's all in the reflexes.
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Chris Bruce Loyal user Canada 213 Posts |
Hi,
A very strong effect that occurs in a spec's hand is Psychokinetic Time by Banacheck. Its impromptu and uses a spectators watch. There are some great spoon bends that happen in the spectator's hand as well. One of Guy Bavli's bends while it lay on the spectators outstreched hand (its unpublished) comes to mind. Come to think of it a lot of mentalism happens on the spectator or, better yet, in thier head. cb |
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Douglas.M Elite user 465 Posts |
Doing a Coins Across with the arrival coins landing in a spectator's hand is pretty powerful. Paul Harris (PDQ coins #2), and others have worked on this.
Lately though, I have been doing Dan Watkins version using the gravity flipper. The nice thing about Dan's Four Coins Your Hands is that both the vanishing and appearing occur in the spectators own hands. I think Ron Jaxon has done work on this as well. Another In the Spectator's Hands effect: Doctor Daley's Last Trick. I like Gregory Wilson's version of this effect, as it plays as a kind of game. Douglas M. |
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts |
The old penny to dime can be a powerful effect when done on the spectator's open palm. Almost anything that happens in their hands becomes a "personal" effect to the spectator, increasing interest and intensity of the "WOW!" moment.
Almost as good is having the spectator hold your hands or wrists while you perform something like the Han Ping Chien "coins across." It takes it from being a "show" to being a "happening."
Professor Spellbinder
Professor Emeritus at the Turkey Buzzard Academy of Magik, Witchcraft and Wizardry http://www.magicnook.com Publisher of The Wizards' Journals |
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Andy the cardician Inner circle A street named after my dad 3362 Posts |
Coins, sponge balls, cards . . . it depends on the effect and the presentation.
Cards never lie
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Well if you are doing magic for you, then edit out the sponge ball routine.
If you are working for other people, then leave them in. It really is simple. I get so sick of guys who think that it matters what their opinion is when it comes to tricks. In an audience there are hundreds of opinions about what goes on that matter, and ours IS NOT ONE OF THEM. Simply listen to your audience. They will tell you. IF you want to edit any trick based on what you want, well then go right ahead. I can't imagine a painter saying "I hate the color green, I will never paint a room that *** color". It is crazy talk. Nobody ever went broke giving the people what they want did they?
Danny Doyle
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Alex Linian Inner circle Peru 1277 Posts |
Yes, as Danny suggest, be a sell-out.
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