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emyers99
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I've seen lots of talk on Marc's named card in wallet but haven't seen mention of this trick. Anyone seen it? How does it differ from other similar sounding routines on the market? I've seen other versions where there is a climax (ie at the end there are two black balls and only one white ball). Is there any sort of climax to this routine?
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There is no climax. However, it is one of the most clever versions devised. You get all necessary to perform the effect with. Marc supplies you with the instructions, and two white balls and a black ball, plus a bag.
When I last met Marc, I paid him extra to get some more white balls, as I feel using 5 balls in total is better than 3. But that is my opinion. So now I have 4 white balls and 1 black. The effect still works the same.
The clever part of this routine that puts it above most, is the balls are ungimmicked, the bag is ungimmicked, there are no electronics, there are no magnets, wires, peeks, mirrors etc used. It really is just the bag and the balls, which are honestly and genuinely 100% un-gimmicked and normal. Not only that, but the balls are all placed into the bag at the start, the spectator can see all 5 in the bag. You don't hold any out at any point. And the nice thing is, you know exactly when it has been taken. It will get taken out at a different point everytime you perform.
Max Mavens 'Kurtosoke' effect is killer, but I don't like the fact that right at the start you could get the ball. I like the fact you eliminate who doesn't have it, and in this routine, this is exactly what you do. Meaning you can entirely play on presentation. Picking up on signals, body language etc the spectator is supposedly giving out. Also, this is good for walkaround, stage, close up etc. All situations this effect works for and the method is fool proof, you can't mess it up.
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Gochos
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This is another release from World Magic Shop and you are supplid with 5 balls not 3.
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Well, there you have it! No need to ask Marc for extra balls. If you want to do this effect, there isn't a more better or affordable version!
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So is it safe to assume that the ones that Hocus Pocus are getting will have 5 balls and not the three that are advertised?

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Robert Sixx tahts correct. That description shoudnt be their, ill contact them to correct it.
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This is being a very clever methods that uses no magnets, no electrics, no threads or strings, no sounds, no sleights of hands, no dropping a extra ball halfway through and no colours of glowing balls or anything like that.

The spectators doing the routine with you will never be finding out the secret even if they are talking to each other afterwards.

Marc is performing the routine with two other tirkcs. One is on his lecture notes about three people on chairs. The other is being a prediciton about predicting who is choosing a ball in advance of the trick. Unfortunately you cannot buy this one at the moment but anyone who was being in Blackpool would have been seeing his routine with the balls and the other two tricks. It is easy but is being brilliant magics.

My set came with 5 balls, one blacks and fours white. The sack is very silky with a draw string. I like to jiggle my sack before the spectator is grabbing a ball.

I think Marc is being one hell of an idea factory and is being more creative with ideas than Jay Sankey is. My favourite Marc trick for magicians is '37'. My least favourite is one with a little sword which is spinning about to be finding a card. I hope Marc is sharing soon the appearing keys routine. It is making a spectators breath go away.
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On 2007-03-12 17:15, juan king wrote:


I like to jiggle my sack before the spectator is grabbing a ball.





Wow, this line, out of context, makes me wonder what kind of show are you doing.... Smile


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I ams doing this so the spectators are thinking it is a free choice of any of the balls. It doesn't say to do this in the instructions but I am doing it to make the trick look fairer. If anyone is buying the trick I am giving my permission to be using my idea here because the Magic Café is being about helping magicians. If anyone is writing about it in a book please let me be having some credit for my idea.
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On 2007-03-12 17:29, Ken Dumm wrote:
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On 2007-03-12 17:15, juan king wrote:


I like to jiggle my sack before the spectator is grabbing a ball.

Wow, this line, out of context, makes me wonder what kind of show are you doing.... Smile


Ken

Funniest post of 2007!!!
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Yeah, it's gonna be hard to beat that line. Thank God I'm not drinking anything right now because my computer screen would be covered.

Not trying to be rude, but jiggling a "sack" isn't really an original idea...I remember doing this in kindergarten raffles for a "fairer choice".

BTW, does anyone have his stretching spoon effect?
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Ok I need to point something out here whilst talking about odd ball. Im not sure if Marc is taking credit for his thinking and method behind odd ball. For those who know the secret behind odd ball - this is not a new method. Please don't anyone shoot me YET, but as I do not have odd ball I cannot see in the instructions if mark has given credit to the the originator of the odd ball method/secret.

I saw Marc do his lecture about 3 months ago and whilst performing this he didn't give credit by saying this was not his method/idea of how this works, nor did he say he was the inventor of this. For those who have the instructions to odd ball if it says in there that this is Marc's own creation or words to that effect then this is not true!

About 5 years ago I attended one of the amazing ' Mind Magic ' days held in London every November. They always used to be arranged by Duncun Trillo and were held in a hotel in London. The day consisted on a pure day of Mind Magic and Mentalism. I feel v lucky to have attended 2 of them in the past and wish they were still running Smile nevermind. Anyway, one of the fabulous lectures one year was Ali Bongo. He did a brilliant lecture on Mind magic and mentalism and performed ' Odd Ball ' in front of 100 Mentalists. Everyone was fooled, he asked if anyone knew the method - we all said no. He then explained the method and we couldn't believe how clever this was!

Five years later I see this exact effect and method being sold and marketed. I wish this kept underground as it is to good. My main point out of all this is I am hearing people saying what a great effect Marc has come up with ( not really on the Café but all around the Blackpool Convention ) its just it came over in Marcs lecture that he was the creator of this method and thought of this himself. I don't know who the exact creator was of this method ( could be Ali Bongo ) but just wanted people to know this is not a new method that Marc has come up with as it has certainly been around for at least 5 yrs.

Please don't think I have anything against Marc because I don't, he is a really nice guy who is v friendly and has all the time in the world for you. His lecture was v good and professional & If you get a chance to see him lecture - go and see him you will be sorry if you miss it!!!

I just felt I had to post this, and once again please knowone think this is aimed at a negative post Smile
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I'm not very familiar with either of the two effects mentioned, but you do realize that two people can think of the same effect right? Since you said you do not own Odd Ball then I don't understand why you would make the assumption that the methods are the same.

I'm just trying to be optimistic, that's all Smile
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Yes, lets try stay on the positive. I don't remember credits in the instructions, I would have to dig them out again. But I have said it once, and I will say it again, credits are THE hardest thing in Magic. Forget Raise Rise, the Pass etc, CREDITS are the hardest thing. You never EVER quite know who came up with what, or what the idea stemmed from etc. Over the years I have learned many effects which are rip offs, and that the people who put out the rip off either paid the original creator off to keep their mouth closed, or gave them a load of free stock in exchange. One of the worlds most prolific creators was Dai Vernon. I would love to know his credits, inspirations, idea stems etc. But, I am side tracking here.
Marc has been doing this routine now for several years, I don't know the exact amount, but it isn't one of those effects that are released just to make money, it is straight from his act which those who know Marc know he has been doing a long time now.
PM me what you think the method is PRINCE and I will tell you whether you are right or wrong. I won't tip the method if you are wrong etc, just let me know what you think it is so I can either correct the thread or not. You never know, Ali Bongo might have got it off Marc!!! Smile , just keeping all options open Smile
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If you ever see Marc lecture you will know that he reveals all the workings of his marketed effects except for his new bang on wallet. The lecture I saw had all his latest effects on the market demonstrated and explained and also his other material that he uses for the lecture. So yes I know how odd ball is done, the reason I havnt bought odd ball is because once I had seen Ali Bongo lecture this, I found a way of making my own set of balls. But, it is made very well made the balls are nice as to with the bag you get - perfect for your pocket esp if you are doing strolling etc. Chris your right it is so difficult trying to relate to who the inventor might be especially if you are marketing a trick and want to know if it is already out there, credits etc, it is a lot of effort and can be difficult. Like is said above, please don't think I was aiming at a negative post. Also Chris you could be right Ali might have got it off Marc - if so hat off to Marc for a brilliant and deceptive concept Smile
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How large are the balls? (Are they large enough to be seen easily in a small theater?) Thank you for your help!

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On 2007-03-12 17:29, Ken Dumm wrote:
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On 2007-03-12 17:15, juan king wrote:


I like to jiggle my sack before the spectator is grabbing a ball.





Wow, this line, out of context, makes me wonder what kind of show are you doing.... Smile


Ken


Methinks Juan's English is better than he pretends. Too many of these double entendre.
Still with the Chinese circus Smile
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Ha v funny Smile

zgecko to give you an idea the balls are prob the size of a malteaser ( chocolate here in the U.K - don't know if you guys in the U.S have them ) they are about that size. Yeah I think it would be okish for a small theatre but personally I feel this is for close up or strolling. I say this due to the size of the balls and the bag you are supplied with when you buy odd ball. But when you know the secret you could make this yourself for a stage version.

hope that helps Smile
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I would say they are a little bigger than malteasers, I don't see why it can't be done in a big theatre. Perhaps not good to 3,000 people, but a theatre of cabaret show of about 500 would see them. I've performed this already twice in my cabaret act for audiences up to 150 people
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Curiousity got the better of me and I ordered it. I have been doing Max Mavens Kurotsuke and occasionally do Charles Gauci's version Body Language. I like them both, and really cant think of another way to do this effect. So, I am anxious to see if there is any "improvement" in Marc's Oddball.
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