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jhn59880 New user France 71 Posts |
Please, I've studied a lots of think about hypnosis and masters the relaxation methods now and I would like rather to do shock induction. Do you have any suggestion about book that I should buy or DVD if there is.
Thanjs for you reply |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Had you studied so much I am supprised you had not come across them in your vast research.
What have you studied, so I don't guide you to the same book you already have studied?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Jim-Callahan V.I.P. 5018 Posts |
Danny don't be that way.
I found it in the Amature Hypnotists Handbook. J ack H.o.A-X
“I can make Satan’s devils dance like fine gentlemen across the stage of reality”.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I think that professionals who post here and encourage these people are dangerous. I would love to see this part of the forum disappear forever..
I can't believe some of the idiotic threads and posts on here. This is a serious accident waiting to happen. Not just this thread either there are many. Its about time this section was removed |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I agree.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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jhn59880 New user France 71 Posts |
Thanks for reply. The only reason that I haven't found quick induction is that I was french !! So, I've a lot of research and bought a book about inductions like the one with the pen, very impressive. Thanks Jim-Callahan ^^ I hope this book will be very useful for my future show.
Posted: Mar 30, 2007 7:46am I don't find this book on internet. Where can I get it ?? thanks for your reply |
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Cardinal Bunal New user 79 Posts |
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I agree. I don't. |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
I always hear about these accidents about to happen. Have any accidents ever really happened?
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Cardinal Bunal New user 79 Posts |
If someone here tries to regress a subject and NOT be able to bring him back, those are most likely the types of accidents that are about to happen...
While the FAQ section debunks the myth that hypnosis is NOT dangerous - and certainly talking about it and the principles of psychodynamics won't do any harm... if an inexperienced bozo like myself tries something out... you can only hope the accident is humiliation cause what I set out to try didn't work. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Stop. NOBODY CAN BE REGRESSED AND NOT BROUGHT BACK. You have zero idea what you are talking about.
Slim, to answer the question in a sane fashion. More of the accidents I feel are waiting to happen are simply environmental. Does that make sense? Such as subjects who get really lose and relaxed and slip forward and bang their noses on their knees, or outright slip out of chairs. Physical things that are truley "accidents". Does this make sense? I am not being flippant, but trying to explain what my concern is. You can't lose someone in trance, no matter WHAT people who have no idea about hypnosis think. BUT I have seen, and heard about many people being injured as I mention. Hope this clears up at least MY position a bit Slim.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Cardinal Bunal New user 79 Posts |
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Stop. NOBODY CAN BE REGRESSED AND NOT BROUGHT BACK. You have zero idea what you are talking about. But still..... if you're dealing with messing with the subconscious or cognitive function in general; there are dangers of people on here going to try out things that have repercussions on the STATUS QUO of the perceptions a particular subject(s). I read of an experiment (NOT on hypnosis) but on the phenomena of Freudian defense mechanism that is called "Projection", issues were brought up that the procedure may have caused the subjects (male) to doubt their manhood and gender orientation. LOL And if this happens in an experiment on "Ego Psychology" then how much more could such an "accident" or "repercussion" occur if you have a novice trying hypnosis? But from your post I can see what your getting at and why you would rather this forum be done away with. And all I'm saying here is that you can't rule out "Meta Accidents" either rather than just physical mishaps. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
They are called "abnormal reactions" read up on it.
NOW STOP. Your just not getting it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Cardinal Bunal New user 79 Posts |
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They are called "abnormal reactions" read up on it. But whose not to say these responses and occurences can be ruled out in context of hypnosis?? ____________________________________ Yeah I'm getting it - this is a topic on SHOCK INDUCTION, so we don't have to be pedantic about other things than the more urgent issue you brought up - physical accidents. :) Peace. Quote:
NOW STOP. Your just not getting it. And since I'm not stopping this is called reactance in social psychology... or in THE more proper context a "polarity response." Sorry couldn't resist. LOL |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Actually it is passive agressive, get past chapter one of Psyc. for Dummies.
If you had taken the time to look up abnormal reactions prior to posting, you would realise that they DO HAPPEN in context of hypnosis. THAT IS WHEN THEY HAPPEN. Generally with shock inductions, and quick ones, you are not able to get deep enough for an abreaction. BUT IT CAN HAPPEN. As I said please read before posting any more. It would help your understanding tremendously, and enhance your ability to carry on an intelligent conversation.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Cardinal Bunal New user 79 Posts |
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Actually it is passive agressive, get past chapter one of Psyc. for Dummies. I have... Books I use: Introduction to Psychology (Plotnik) Theories of Personality (Hall, Lindsey and Campbell) Human Development (Papalia, Olds and Samuelson) Experimental Psychology (Myers and Hansen) but then again, I must confess... Wikipedia too. :b |
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mota Inner circle 1658 Posts |
Still, I will take my advice from Danny.
Book knowledge on one hand. Thousands and thousands of shows on the other hand...real world experience with names we talk about here as legends. This isn't even close. |
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Cardinal Bunal New user 79 Posts |
Danny has met Milton?
:) |
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mota Inner circle 1658 Posts |
Milton Erickson was a legend...no more so than in his own mind. I met him once. I would never recommend him for stage. He was good but meeting Milton Erickson doesn't qualify either of us for much.
I want to gently add something. I do not mean to insult you Cardinal but reading your posts shows you really actually don't know what you are talking about. I suspect trolling but still you could give bad advice that someone might believe. There are some dangers in hypnosis...one of the biggest is someone giving advice when they really don't know what they are talking about. You don't just need a book education in regular hypnosis, you need to learn about the specifics of stage before you give advice. Again, I suspect this is just trolling...I strongly advise anyone who reads this to listen closely to Danny and ignore Cardinal. I won't respond to his attempts to start an argument but please don't mistake this for agreement. If you want to do stage hypnotism there are danger's...one of them is Cardinal's advice. |
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Cardinal Bunal New user 79 Posts |
What can be gained from trolling?
I've never claimed to be "giving advice" at all... although I've posted here that may seem in the declarative rather than inquisitive form - those are mere ASSUMPTIONS or things based on what I've read... Rather, what I post here is more in the form of "Some say this" and "some say that"... But perhaps the only ABSOLUTE posts here are those from the pros..... Quote:
If you want to do stage hypnotism there are danger's...one of them is Cardinal's advice. If you search my posts, there is NO SUCH advice on stage hypnotism as I do NOT know the specifics of that area... Again, in a tentative manner I spoke about "suggestibility tests", merely sounding off (NOT trolling) but that doesn't mean what I said has zero credence. (?) |
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leapinglizards Inner circle 1263 Posts |
Cardinal,
I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now, but my INITIAL reaction was the same as Mota's. Again, I'll give the the benefit of the doubt for now as we have been chating VIa PM and thus far you do seem sincere. But I've been fooled before. I prefer to err on the side of trust, as long as no money changes hands I will tell you, if there is ANYONE whose advice on this subject I would respect without question, it is Danny. I put Mota, Tony Eye, Bryan Giles and a few others on the Café in that category on various topics.... we have some GREAT and very passionate thinkers here. 'Tis always a good idea to speak cautiously and with thought FIRST, as people get to know you, and you them, you'll find it easier to understand everyone's delivery and personality quirks. We have some GREAT, INTELLIGENT and very TALENTED people here! And always welcome new ones! Dean
Leaping Lizards!!! Who knew it was possible.
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