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Yes, very nice (!), also the alternative for the "usual" bo***m d**l ... still, I would prefer my handling as it looks so clean, no real moves at all, everything happens on the table, nothing in the hands... Jan
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Hi Jan, I saw the ESPissimo (Italian name? Smile) video you kindly shared here on the Café. Your solution is really elegant, I like it a lot!

Have you ever found someone having some suspicions on your non-move? Do you think it require some form of misdirection to be fully deceptive?

From your video I understand you perform the effect minimum 2 times, not counting the cases 1 or 2, right? What if you have case 5 the first time, would you continue a second time?

In case the first time you have a case 4 and the second time a case 2, how do you justify this discrepancy?


Thanks,
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Case 5 - I would not repeat it (only exception as it is a full hit...). Case 4 and then case 2 is not a problem if you act like, "would you like to see already how good you've done already until now...?" Smile ... I never needed (until today) any form of misdirection, in the "worst case", direct eye contact and probably lifting your forefinger on the level of your eyes is really enough... Smile Jan
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Thank you very much, Jan Smile
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Ps. I’m a huge fan of this esp deck.

https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/7402
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Jazz Mentalism/Rhine's Revenge is my favorite and easy to do.
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Of course there is no one best effect for everyone it's different; surely a very interesting booklet is "Mind Novas" from Stephen Minch

So many good and clever principles applied to ESP decks, it deserves a good and thourough reading...
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I love Jazz Mentalism for it's elegance and simplicity. My only slight gripe with all the ESP routines I've played around with has nothing to do with the routines themselves. It's actually the cards... or more specifically the symbols on them!! I know ESP cards have stood the test of time but I do sometimes wonder how!!

Never once has a spectator been familiar with such a set of cards / symbols when I've introduced them, which I guess isn't particularly surprising as they are pretty abstract. Is this a problem? Maybe not, and I'll continue to use my sets of standard ESP cards.

I recently came across these ESP cards:-

https://blackcatmagic.co.uk/index.php/pr......p-cards/

What struck me about this idea is how it may be perceived by a spectator. I think lots of people would definitely find well known rock bands/singers a more tangible concept than five symbols? If you can better stimulate a spectator's interest by using a different premise, perhaps the effect will be even more memorable?

Anyways I've ordered a set of these, as I think they will suit my presentation and style. I wondered what others' thoughts on this approach are?

BW

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It’s the one you create.

Just kidding!

It’s 4DT.
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On Feb 16, 2021, stevie c wrote:
I love Jazz Mentalism for it's elegance and simplicity. My only slight gripe with all the ESP routines I've played around with has nothing to do with the routines themselves. It's actually the cards... or more specifically the symbols on them!! I know ESP cards have stood the test of time but I do sometimes wonder how!!

Never once has a spectator been familiar with such a set of cards / symbols when I've introduced them, which I guess isn't particularly surprising as they are pretty abstract. Is this a problem? Maybe not, and I'll continue to use my sets of standard ESP cards.

I recently came across these ESP cards:-

https://blackcatmagic.co.uk/index.php/pr......p-cards/

What struck me about this idea is how it may be perceived by a spectator. I think lots of people would definitely find well known rock bands/singers a more tangible concept than five symbols? If you can better stimulate a spectator's interest by using a different premise, perhaps the effect will be even more memorable?

Anyways I've ordered a set of these, as I think they will suit my presentation and style. I wondered what others' thoughts on this approach are?

BW

Steve

I think these turn a mentalism effect into a magic trick.
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On Feb 16, 2021, stevie c wrote:
I love Jazz Mentalism for it's elegance and simplicity. My only slight gripe with all the ESP routines I've played around with has nothing to do with the routines themselves. It's actually the cards... or more specifically the symbols on them!! I know ESP cards have stood the test of time but I do sometimes wonder how!!

Never once has a spectator been familiar with such a set of cards / symbols when I've introduced them, which I guess isn't particularly surprising as they are pretty abstract. Is this a problem? Maybe not, and I'll continue to use my sets of standard ESP cards.

I recently came across these ESP cards:-

https://blackcatmagic.co.uk/index.php/pr......p-cards/

What struck me about this idea is how it may be perceived by a spectator. I think lots of people would definitely find well known rock bands/singers a more tangible concept than five symbols? If you can better stimulate a spectator's interest by using a different premise, perhaps the effect will be even more memorable?

Anyways I've ordered a set of these, as I think they will suit my presentation and style. I wondered what others' thoughts on this approach are?

BW

Steve

I think these turn a mentalism effect into a magic trick.


Surely that would depend on one's presentation Martin, otherwise the implication is that a matching effect could only be considered mentalism if it's performed with cards bearing Zener symbols?

BW

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Of course there is no one best effect for everyone it's different; surely a very interesting booklet is "Mind Novas" from Stephen Minch

So many good and clever principles applied to ESP decks, it deserves a good and thourough reading...

Hi PsiDroid, do you have some specific effects/principles to suggest from that booklet?
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On Feb 16, 2021, stevie c wrote:
I think these turn a mentalism effect into a magic trick.


Surely that would depend on one's presentation Martin, otherwise the implication is that a matching effect could only be considered mentalism if it's performed with cards bearing Zener symbols?

BW

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I think the props you use are a vital component of good mentalism.
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On Feb 15, 2021, PsiDroid wrote:
Of course there is no one best effect for everyone it's different; surely a very interesting booklet is "Mind Novas" from Stephen Minch

So many good and clever principles applied to ESP decks, it deserves a good and thourough reading...

Hi PsiDroid, do you have some specific effects/principles to suggest from that booklet?


Wtithout being near the book now, I recall having performed - Either Or, DoppleGanger, Genesis II, Quatrain...
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On Feb 17, 2021, ipe wrote:
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On Feb 15, 2021, PsiDroid wrote:
Of course there is no one best effect for everyone it's different; surely a very interesting booklet is "Mind Novas" from Stephen Minch

So many good and clever principles applied to ESP decks, it deserves a good and thourough reading...

Hi PsiDroid, do you have some specific effects/principles to suggest from that booklet?


Wtithout being near the book now, I recall having performed - Either Or, DoppleGanger, Genesis II, Quatrain...


Thank you, PsiDroid! Smile
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There's such an incredible amount of ifferent types of ESP cards and routines. For me, the beat is first to do some research about ESP symbols experiment, Dr. Rhine (there are interesting connections with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle...). In terms of routines after looking at dozens of them, I'm keeping with Ben Blau's Unfazed and Jazz Mentalism (David Humphrey).
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