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Please don't confuse what we both wish were true, the ideal, with reality. Yes I know we officially elect electors. Now can we deal with reality?

The system is broken. Election fraud is a reality and will get worse. It's very very easy to compromise the electronic voting machines at several places along the system. For more on voting fraud since just 2004 see for example: http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/1954.html

BTW I never said the presidency was a popularity contest. Clearly, if it were, you wouldn't have the large percentage who stay home and don't vote at all.

Neither do I think the contest goes to those with the most money, although it certainly doesn't hurt to have a lot of it. Raising a certain amount of money, however, certainly is a requirement in order to
have a shot at winning--and access to that kind of money is beyond most people--even most politicians. It's not possible to run a campaign anymore without large donations from special interest groups.

For the record, I've never voted for Gore, and would never do so. I'm not a fan of Moveon.org either. But I do believe in trying to improve the current reality. A republic if you can keep it said Franklin--it requires more than just touching an easily manipulated screen every four years to keep it.

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No question about the collection of votes fallibility, no matter the method. The comedian Gallagher had a joke, "If cops are so honest, why do they lock their lockers?"

It is no concern of mine who anyone votes for in an election. The moment the words, "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" are uttered, this person is my president (like 'em or not).

Though I may find some of their actions objectionable, I bite my critical tongue until after they leave office. I have shot off an occasional e-mail to their office. With other statesman and local officials, all bets are off.
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This is hilarious....

global warming to young earth/old earth to evolution to voting to....

capital punishment, anyone???

:^P
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The system is broken. Election fraud is a reality and will get worse. It's very very easy to compromise the electronic voting machines at several places along the system.


This is nothing new of course… long before electronic voting… long before chads… during the 1960 presidential election it was Illinois that had dead people voting (which gave JFK the win… Joe calling in favors and making it happen for his son). Do not think for a moment this is something new or something limited to a particular political party. I doubt there is, or ever has been, a such thing as a “fair” election.
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On 2007-03-31 18:02, landmark wrote:
The system is broken. Election fraud is a reality and will get worse. It's very very easy to compromise the electronic voting machines at several places along the system.


This is nothing new of course… long before electronic voting… long before chads… during the 1960 presidential election it was Illinois that had dead people voting (which gave JFK the win… Joe calling in favors and making it happen for his son). Do not think for a moment this is something new or something limited to a particular political party. I doubt there is, or ever has been, a such thing as a “fair” election.
Just because it is pervasive that doesn't mean that it is OK
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Just because it is pervasive that doesn't mean that it is OK

I did not state, nor imply, that it was.
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Though I may find some of their [the presidents'] actions objectionable, I bite my critical tongue until after they leave office. I have shot off an occasional e-mail to their office. With other statesman and local officials, all bets are off



How come?


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On 2007-03-31 18:02, landmark wrote:
The system is broken. Election fraud is a reality and will get worse. It's very very easy to compromise the electronic voting machines at several places along the system.


This is nothing new of course… long before electronic voting… long before chads… during the 1960 presidential election it was Illinois that had dead people voting (which gave JFK the win… Joe calling in favors and making it happen for his son). Do not think for a moment this is something new or something limited to a particular political party. I doubt there is, or ever has been, a such thing as a “fair” election.



Hence my original remark:
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The perceived results of the voting machines elect the President.



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This is hilarious....

global warming to young earth/old earth to evolution to voting to....

capital punishment, anyone???

:^P


I KNOW we've been down that road before. Pardon me if I refrain Smile

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Chessmann,

Forgive me... but I must agree with you.

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You know, Destiny, if we were sitting down over coffee, I'm sure we would find a number of things we agreed on, and a number of things we didn't, but we could still enjoy the coffee and the conversation and the company.

Have a good day,

Mark
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Agreed again - and I'm sure, as Kregg pointed out somewhere, true for most people on here. This Café is a most civil place. It is very well thought out - and the rules work (even the ones I go perilously close to breaking.)

I don't do the internet chat thing and am incredulous at friends who let their kids do it, but happily make an exception for this place. Living where I do I would not otherwise get to discuss magic.

I am actually having an absolutely wonderful day, and hope the same for you.

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Though I may find some of their [the presidents'] actions objectionable, I bite my critical tongue until after they leave office. I have shot off an occasional e-mail to their office. With other statesman and local officials, all bets are off

Jack asked, "How come?"

I don't know why. Perhaps it stems from my youthful impressions like JFK's assassination, or Nixon's broken demise. These things really affect the mental welfare of a nation.

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I'm still waiting to find out how long that guy peeling potatoes was sitting there...anyone...Bueller?
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April 1st and only two pages? YOU'RE NOT TRYING, PEOPLE!!
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This is hilarious....

global warming to young earth/old earth to evolution to voting to....

capital punishment, anyone???

:^P


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Folks....stop this! I meant JOLSON!
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