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Had any of the rest of you ever heard of these terms used in this way before seeing that movie?

I had never heard them before, I'm I've pored over a pretty good share of magic materials over my life, and I usually retain quite a bit of it, on some level, but not these terms.

Anyone else feel the same way? Anyone else remember other sources for these terms ALL used together as they were used in the context of the film?

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No. The author has said in many interviews that he made the terms up for the book.
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As Bill said,

All made up terms by the Author.

Though I seem to have read somewhere that there was an English magic club called
"The Prestige Club".

No relation to the use in the book and movie though..........................

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They aren't bad terms, though. In fact, they correspond roughly to something that is known variously as "thesis form" or "sonata form" depending on the art form that it is related to. Some people call it "sermon form."

You have an exposition, a development and a recapitulation. You state your thesis, you support it, you resolve it. You tell them what you are going to tell them. Then you tell them. Then you tell them what you told them.

In magic, the effectiveness of the resolution depends on how well you fool them and how fantastic the illusion is.

Remember, though. It's a story. That's all it is. The Illusionist is to magic as The DaVinci Code is to religion.
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Actually, "The Prestige" is the movie and book being discussed.

"The Illusionist" is another (much better, in my opinion) movie.

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My bad. I knew it was The Prestige. I have both movies, and just wrote the wrong title.

For the magic, I liked The Illusionist much more. The Prestige did have some interesting twists in it, though.
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I have to agree with Bill, the Illusionist was the best. The Prestige showed that all magic tricks have 3 parts, which in a sense is true. the vocabulary, if we had any, was not. There are some similarities in the two films... The main characters got themselves into some trouble.. plus the two entire films are illusions themselves..well sort of.
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Well as a movie I thought the prestige was much better, specifically had a more creative/original script. While I liked the Illusionist the plot was very standard.

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