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Rodney Palmer
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I am looking for a small sound system that can reach a crowd up to 250 people. This system must have a hook-up for an IPOD as well as a built in Wireless Headset Microphone. Must have seperate volumes controls for music and head set and you must be able to stand within 2 feet of the speaker system. I need this to weigh no more than 20-25 lbs.

Cost Factor: Under $ 400.00

Must be Brand New from a company that is reputable

Thank You in advance for any help in the above matter.


I do not want a Florida PAS 767.

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Boy you ask for a lot for so little!
Rodney Palmer
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I know but I really need something the Florida PAS 767 really is not a good System at all. I have one and it is going back today.

Please I need your help
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Those are some hefty demands.

The Florida system sucks. I had it and should have returned it but did not know any better at the time. It was horrible. And very expensive.

I doubt you'll find what you're looking for but at least you're making the right choice by ridding yourself of the Fla. system.

Personally I would never buy a system that had a built-in anything. Wireless Mic, CD player, mp3 player, no way. Better to invest in separate components. Better quality and if one component goes bad, you replace just that component.

Best of luck.
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Talk to Joe Lefler - he is the small sound system expert.
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On 2007-04-16 00:35, First Class Magician wrote:
I am looking for a small sound system that can reach a crowd up to 250 people. This system must have a hook-up for an IPOD as well as a built in Wireless Headset Microphone. Must have seperate volumes controls for music and head set and you must be able to stand within 2 feet of the speaker system. I need this to weigh no more than 20-25 lbs.

Cost Factor: Under $ 400.00

Must be Brand New from a company that is reputable



Rodney,

This is a nice list Which has challenced my thinking ability.


  • 1. Stand Within Two Feet to Prevent Feedback
  • 2. Handle 250 Person Audience
  • 3. Weight 20-25 lbs
  • 4. Small in Size
  • 5. Wireless Headset Microphone.
  • 6. Control for IPods RCA Inputs
  • 7. Control for Wireless Internal Microphone
  • 8. Brand New from Quality Dealer
  • 9. Cost Less than $400
  • 10. Florida PAS 767 is Out


1. Stand Within Two Feet to Prevent Feedback
This can be accomplised by putting the speakers high on a tripod stand. With most speakers, you do not want to walk in front of them with a microphone, especially ceap ones, because that is what causes the feed back.

2. Handle 250 Person Audience
Rule of Thumb is "Divide the audience in half and that is the wattage you seek".
250/2 = 125 wattage system, or a system somewhere between 80 and 150 watts.

3. Weight 20-25 lbs
This is difficult because increased wattage means increased magnet in speaker and increased power coil in the amplifier. Quality speakers and quality amplifer cost money especially from an established PA System dealer.

4. Small in Size
Keeping the weight down means keeping the size of the speaker smaller and smaller amplifier. Small size does not push enough air to fill a room full of 250 people. The number of people and surroundings will absorb the sound waves, reducing or echoing what is produced.

5. Wireless Headset Microphone.
Must be cheap to keep the cost down. requires a built in one or an external transmitter and receiver.

6. Control for IPods RCA Inputs
The list does not state stereo speakers so the input is mono. This can be done using RCA connectors and mono jack for the IPod. A Boom Box for IPods with a AUX input will not handle 250 persons, and not have seperate controls.

7. Control for Wireless Internal Microphone
Most systems do have seperate controls for each input.

8. Brand New from Quality Dealer
Quality dealers cost money, BOSE, Anchor, etc. A mail order house having a sale might help. Many systems have at least a 50% in-store mark-up value. Find the system you want and then try to find the price you want.

9. Cost Less than $400
An 80/100 watt base speaker unit with two inputs and controls would keep the cost down. Add in a cheap wireless headset microphone and you just may be able to do it.

10. Florida PAS 767 is Out
It is a 20 watt system (40 person audience), has two inputs weighs about 5 lbs meaning not a powerful amp coil or speaker. I took mine apart and tried to change the speaker but the amp couldn't handle the speaker. Since it has a small speaker ithe sound is "tinny" when music is played. It has no cross-overs for base, mid-range and treble sound outputs nor does it have three speakers for each of these ranges or an all-in-one speaker with these ranges. The price of $400 is quite high compared to the $150 Fleco FPA 22 which appears to be equivlient. It has two mics and it does not say of it has an AUX input.

Understanding Above I found this system for under $200 in numberous places. I have no idea of it's maker or quality but it beats the Florida System

PYLE PWMA3600 - 200 Watt Wireless Bat......5.00
PDF Manual for PYLE PWMA3600 - 200 Wa......stem

  • Unit Powered by Internal Rechargeable Battery Pack
  • 3 Channel Mixer
  • Two XLR 1/4'' Combo Mic Inputs For Added Wireless Headset
  • Stereo RCA Aux Input & Output For Ipod
  • Binding Post Output for External Speaker
  • Independent Volume Gain for Each Input
  • Master Volume, Bass & Treble Controls Seperate Controls
  • On Air, Charge & Power LED Indicators
  • Wireles Handheld Mic Included
  • 8'' Woofer w/2.5'' Compression Tweeter Good Size Speakers with Full Range
  • 100W RMS, 200W Peak Power Can serve over 250 person audience
  • Unit Battery Life: >4 Hours
  • Mic Battery Life: >5 Hours
  • Operation Range: 90 Feet
  • Ported Enclosure for Increased Bass Response
  • Carry Handle
  • 35mm Speaker Stand Mount
  • Frequency Response: 100Hz-15KHz
  • 110/220 Voltage Switchable
  • Dimensions: 23.8'' x 10.24'' x 13.39''
  • Weight: 30.54 A little more than 25 lbs but added power ofr 400 person audience
  • Cost $195 Under $400 with change to buy a wireless Headset
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Rodney, I wrote a little more detail on your other post, so I'll keep this one short. I don't know if what you seek in a $400 price range exists, but the Carvin Stagemate might be worth considering.

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Here are some Interesting Links on the Café:

Carvin Stagemate

What are the best choices in a small PA?
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Rodney Palmer
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Thank You to all of those who have written and PM's me. This is a hard choice to make every says something different. And that is confusing. I will keep looking and I should have added that I have read all of the threads concerning Small PA Systems.

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There is a stagepas system with speaker stands and w/mic and receiver for sale in the "illusions and equipment for sale" section here for $650. The mic can't vouch for but the stagepas system I can. I believe he would sell just the stagepas too. For the money I don't think one could do much better. The stagepas is transported in one trip with about 20 lbs in one hand and about 25lbs in the other.

If you plan on performing for 250 people, don't settle for a system that will just "reach" 250 people. My voice alone can "reach" 250 people. Most of the small compact systems out there rated under 125 watts per channel are only suited for rather small crowds in close proximty. Also do not underestimate the importance of speaker stands.

As far as the wireless mic, unless you are willing to spend at least $250 for the microphone and receiver...I would opt for a wired mic and neck holder. Go cheap in a wireless and that is how you will sound, not to mention reliability and feedback issues.

I was looking for very similar requirements to those stated above but I did not set a weight or price limitation. I looked long and hard at various systems for over 6 months. I went to sound stores, peoples houses, and outdoor gigs of various nature to see what was on the market. I found that I could not meet the above features new for under $900 weighing at 45 lbs and still sound professional. I also have talked with many professionals that have performed under more cicumstances that I can imagine such as Denny Haney, Puck, Jeff McBride and various others. One thing they all told me is "never..ever skimp on microphones". Also to always have a decent wired backup because wireless systems of any quality are not completely reliable. I say these things not to discourage anyone but to help save a lot of money spent on garbage. Just read through the posts in here and you will see many professional performers that tried to find that perfect $200 system, then $400 system, then $600 system, then $800 system...$2900 later...well...not the perfect system but it will do...the $900 system they should have bought the first time.
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John,

You are right here, however, I was trying to stay within the guidelines given. It was an interesting task.

Like yourself, I looked at lots of systems, bought lots of systems trying to find the perfect combination. Does such a system exist?
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I have worked with a mipro system and they are great, you may want to check this out: http://www.mipro.com.tw/products/e/ma.asp

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Dennis,
I saw what you were trying to do, and you did it quite well. You stayed much more true to the direct topic than I. I was just offering my 2 cent worth and expected change being I had reitterated some of what you had already said. I have a tendency to go beyond the direct topic at hand, sometimes a good thing...sometimes not so good. It's just when I see posts like this I often later see an unhappy buyer because the expectations are just unrealistic. Like almost everyone that I know purchased a Fla 767 system. Just one more note in relation to companies like this...
Be wary of any PA system that advertises itself with quotes like "will fill a high school gym". No high quality manufacturer makes quantitative claims like this. Sound is a very qualitative thing to any professional that understands the value of good acoustics.
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I really can't knock the Florida system too much because it did work well for me. It is when you get another system, or find the limitations of you systems that frustration creaps in.

The Wireless microphone that comes with the Pyle system above is a cheap FM handheld microphone. I've used these and they do appear to work, but no where near the quality of a UHF wireless.

I am now studying the specifications of every system if I find them because they tell me a lot. The Plye has an 8" woofer ans a 2.5 tweeter which blows away the Flordia system and for $200 less.

My Fender Passport 150 weighs 28-lbs and the Pyle weighs-30 lbs I am going backwards here.

I cancelled my order for the Fleco FPA-22 because it has no inputs for music. No need to compare this with the Fla. system. It will sound better but for voice only.
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Dennis,

We all need to bombard Fender with our wants and maybe they will build the perfect system someday!

I love the features of the new PD-500 Passport system, but 5oo watts?!!! I would prefer that they would lower the wattage down to 250, or maybe 300 and in the process remove a few pounds of amplifier weight. Speakers could possibly be lighter also since they would not need to handle as much power.

The channel controls of the PD-5oo and the digital effects processor would be great for me. Plus, I could use the 2 extra channels at my music gigs.

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The weight of the speaker has a lot to do with the wattage and the weight of the Amplifier adds to this.

The Pyle and Fleco systems are not considered "systems" of the music Pros" while Fender, Anchor, Bose, to name a few are. Name brands cost money! With Quality comes money!


Here's a new System I never saw before:
Ion Audio iPA03 Portable PA with iPod Docking
Here is a Large picture of it:

Large Picture of the Ion Audio iPA03 ......king

Below is the previous version of the Ion PA Amplifer before adding the Ipod unit:
PDF Specification File on Ion Audio i......king


Description...
Broadcast your iPod anywhere, anytime with the professional line level output and high sound fidelity. Compatible with all iPods with universal docking connector. The iPA03 is perfect for music on the go. You'll find it at seminars, fitness instruction facilities, outdoor musical and sporting events and even in a one-man band.

Features:
Best Buys Ion Audio iPA03

    Ion Audio iPA03 Features
  • Two-way sound with horn
  • 22 Watts Peak
  • Runs on rechargeable battery for over 6 hours with level indicator
  • Professional XLR microphone included
  • Retractable handle with wheels
  • Pole mountable
  • iPod docking and charging station
  • 2-way sound with horn
  • Weights 35 lbs
  • Cost: $285-389
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Dennis, this looks really good, I tried contacting the company but they had no further information. I wanted to know size, weight, etc. I am going to call the corporate office in Rhode Island tomorrow. I will let you know.

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Dennis Michael
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Regan,

I may have found the unit you are asking about. It is a Brand new PA System.

Mackie SRM 150

  • Weighs 7.6 pounds
  • 150-watts of high output
  • 5.25” premium-quality, full-range neodymium Speaker
  • Dedicated stereo input channel for CD, MP3, iPods, etc.
  • Cost: $300-389
  • NO DC...AC only


The new Mackie SRM150 will be available April 2007
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Like Dennis, I too have tried and continue to try new systems that us real world performers can use. I always go for the smaller systems that are lightweight and easy to transport. The bigger sytems are nice but they kill your back and take forever to setup.
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Rodney,

It appears that Best Buys sells them for a good price but it may be only online. I see a drawback already.

It weighs 35 lbs and outputs 22 Watts according to the previous version of this unit:
Below is the previous version of the Ion PA Amplifer before adding the Ipod unit:
PDF Specification File on Ion Audio i......king

Best Buys Pricing:
Best Buys Ion Audio iPA03 Portable PA......ing


P.S. ...I updated the above post on this.
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