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Hi escapers,

Normally I can only be found at felt topped tables but recently I came up with a comedy escape (which I won't bore you with) where the audience chooses 2 locks from a selection of locks still in their store packages. I only came up with the idea after reading about bump (999) keys (without them I'd still be in the trunk, believe me).

Have bump keys made any sort of impact in the real escape world? Anyone using them or had spectator questions about them? (I had a bit of a search, but couldn't find anything).
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Although bumping has been around for 15 years over here, it's only just becoming public because of the Internet and certain TV programs exposing it. There seems to be the impression that the general UK public will start panicking about their home security if the same thing happens on TV here.

This will obviously help lock suppliers and installers, who will be asked to fit more secure locks. That's fine for standard wood doors, but we have thousands of plastic doors these days using cylinder locks, and up to now, there is no cheap answer to the problem.

In answer to your escape question, I have not heard of ANYONE over here who has used bumping as an escape technique. In my opinion as a Master Locksmith, (please pardon this pun) it's too "Hit and Miss"! Bumping is so unpredictable. You might open the lock in one tap, but it could take 5 minutes. OK for fun, but not in performance.

So therefore, it might be great to impress your friends with, but I don't think it's gonna be another way to escape.
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Good points Mick - Especially in underwarter escapes!
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Thanks for the answer Mick.

Cheers,
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I concur with Micks assessment.
I have not had enough ambition to try this experiment yet, but I am almost positive that it will not work: underwater lock bumping.
First of all, I do not think one could rap the lock with the bump hammer with enough speed as the water would slow down the arm and wrist movement and the water filling in the pin chambers would be too great to overcome. The pins work like pistons in an engine and with water occupying the space where the pins need to travel into, the pins movement is greatly reduced just as water on the top of the piston would get you nowhere fast.
I might try to bump a lock that is full of water above ground to see how well it opens.
Mick, as far as the profile locks for the plastic doors, I recommend Medeco or a similar UL approved Hi-Security cylinder that is as bump-proof as they come. (I remember talking about this, but forgot the outcome).
I can order them in many different sizes, lengths, and colors. Sold lots of them lately.
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When ever I have done underwater escapes I want to be in FULL control! SO I can be out and done if I need to. That way I can concentrate on building the suspense.

I am sure that it would not work underwater! For the reasons that you gave above. Also the danger of dropping the hammer and keys - not a good thing in a quarry that is 100ft deep.

Also how the hell do you hide a bump hammer? I bet even Kondini couldn’t get one up his nose (see http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/video?ArticleID=2705003).

To end on an attempt at humour:

Te title of the thread is "opening locks with Tina Charles". How does that work then? Can you fit her into the barrel? Do you need a tension wrench?


if it might take 5 mins to get the thing to work but could be done in 30seconds - too many variable = too much risk.

I nkow this is a thread on Bumping but cna I ask if anyone has tried raking underwater? I assume that there would be the same problems?
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Mark....yes the answer to bumping Euro Profile cylinders has to be Medeco or Abloy. I know there are more, but my Master Locksmith pals are currently testing all the High Security cylinders with some unexpected results. I'mm going to a Locksmiths seminar on bumping soon, so I'll report on what I find out.

At the moment we can't push Medeco or Abloy to the public because of a) the price and b) they are not aware that bumping exists yet!

However, I may be looking to you to help me get these cylinders soon.

Regards

Mick

P.S. I too am sure that bumping will not work underwater due to the "dampening" effect (Oh look, another pun! I am on form today!!!)_
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Would not like to rely on such a hit and miss method such as this.In entertaining it has to be fast,sure fire and above all safe, non of the criteria met by this method.
Not sure of the outcome should this fall into the common domain,,, feel not much interest unless one of us could capitalise on it.

"Underwater" What`s this guy sniffing?

Oh, and yes I do have an orafice that could conceal a hammer (Small one of course) But that`s my secret ok.

Nick Jansen had the best method for cuff escapes,,,all cuffs,,,but that`s his secret and not for me to reveal.Nick is a one in a million guy,,,respect.

Ken
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Forgot to mention,,,see Micks last post,,,,,he is nearly on form today so make the most of it cos it won`t last long,,,have saved it to my fav list for posterity!!

Ken
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Ken - not sure why I brought underwarter up. May be I am just mental - or had been sniffing something - cant recall (must have been good). May be it was Mikes reference to "one tap" - that got me thinking of water Smile Ok so not as funny as the "dampening effect" from Mick.

Well as long as that whistly wasnt next to the hammer before the lady from teh press blew it "hard and long for" you.
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Hey I just realised!

We went off topic. The topic is "Opening locks with Tina Charles" we started talking about bump keys and then went on to talk about underwater.

No one has said if they have actually managed to open a lock with Tina Charles. My big question is - would this Tina person fit in the lock? Or does she have a spare key?

OK it¡¦s a bit of a poor attempt at humour BUT it fits with me all over really! Sorry. ƒ¼
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Dave, you beat me to the punch!

I was going to ask if it was some new weekday talk show. "Welcome ladies and gentlemen to 'Opening locks with Tina Charles'. Today, Tina is going to discuss what to do when you've broken your key off in the front door lock"
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Oh dear, it seems I really need to brush up on my disco history. The topic should have of course been called "Opening locks with Penny McLean". Apologies...1975 was so long ago....
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Oh Lady Bump!

http://www.penny-mclean.com/

Its all so clear now!

PS wish me a happy birthday for Wednesday I'll be 32
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Ken you keep dangling those carrots don't you... Nick's a great guy. I've only met him a few times, and corresponded through email now and then, but as UK EA's go he's right up there at the top.

As for bumping, I've never actually given it a go but it does seem like a good bit of fun.

To be honest I've gone off the whole lock picking thing for a while, but am going to start playing around with it again since I'll have finally finished uni come May.

It'll be a fun little project between gigs Smile
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An interesting side note on the topic of bumping- the Amish in this area use the technique often since they keep locked chains in front of farm roads. To help each other out or to get to where they are going they often want to open the chains/lock. They carry a key and hammer handle for the purpose. They don't see it as being very remarkable since they use it all the time.

Clyde
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Um, excuse me for asking this but, wouldn't it be easier if they just all had the key? To me, your post seems to imply that the Amish are opening their own locks this way.

Joe
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Joe,

nope! each other's! One farmer wasn't Amish. The Amish passed through his land. When he asked how they did it. Well, you guessed it!
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Joe,

nope! each other's! One farmer wasn't Amish. The Amish passed through his land. When he asked how they did it. Well, you guessed it!
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Thanks Clyde. I get it now.

Hay I heard you the first time...
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