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Jaxon
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I wasn't sure where to ask this. Could anyone walk me through the process of obtaining rights to use copywrite music in a show? I know you can't tell me how much it'll be or anything like that. I'm just hoping to get an idea of the process of obtaining the rights. What limitations are commonly expressed. What I'll be likely to have to provide them. How to find the right person to talk to and so forth.

This is not for TV or anything. I'm looking to use it in stage shows.

Also, what is public domain and what isn't? Any music I'd use will probably be at least 15 years old because I haven't heard music since then. I know age doesn't always matter but I'm just curious about that too. What music can I legally use in my stage acts? Could be for public functions, magic conventions, etc...

Ron Jaxon
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Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie
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Hi, Jaxon!
Check out the sticky thread at the top of the FX forum.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......1&40
It doesn't have all the answers, but it's a darned good start!
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Hi Jaxon,

There's a nice book called "Music and the magician - the essential guide" written by Gary Ouellet which gives all explanations about this. You can get it from the Camirand Academie of Magic in Canada : http://www.camirandmagic.com

As a magician who wants to use a song in his show, you will have to pay performance royalties (ASCAP and BMI in the USA), or the venue if contracted beforehands.

If you need to cut down this same song to fit and match the action on stage of your act in your magicshow, than you need to pay editing rights. For this you need to have the permission from the copyright owner of this song, because you're altering his artist's work. A lot of people forget about this last point, because obtaining this permission is impossible in practice. Due to this fact editing right is globaly ignored by magicians. If a problem results in the future, the person will deal with it at that time.

If you passing on television with your act and this music, you or the TV Channel or the TV producer need to pay sinchronization rights, which can be refuses by the songwriter. There's no fixed fee. It's subject of negotiation.

If you're looking for a less expensive version you've got the choice of :

- Buy Out Music : It's royalty-free music sold on CD.

- Production Music : Called aswell stock music or needledrop music. Usually they sound like songs that you've heard on a radio, but they're not the same song. This kind of music is often used by television. It's very hard to get some of this music, because you need to have a lot of time listening to their libraries.

- Public domaine music : If a song is older than 40 years and the rights haven't been selled to anybody else it belongs to the public domaine. That means, that generally all classical music pieces can be uses without the payment of royalty fees. This is a reason why so many actual music artists use loops of well known classical music pieces in their songs.

Voilà, I hope this might help you a little bit more. Good luck.
May all your days be magical



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Jaxon
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Thanks a lot guys. I now have some sources to read up on it. And your advice already given is very helpful.

Thanks again.

Ron Jaxon
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iwillfoolu
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Oliver may be right for songs in France, but yo should check out Magic Roadies link. Also you should contact the appropriate organizations in your area. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. You will get whacked with penalties. If you take information from a Café member and it's not the right info, be prepared to pay out your ears. Find out the real deal.

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Note: If you contact the creators of the music and ask, they may give you written permission (depending on their contract obligations). A friend of mine just did this and got the OK to use some music for free in her show.
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