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Andi Peters
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On 2007-11-18 08:36, Andi Peters wrote:
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On 2007-11-18 07:26, Candini wrote:
Can Smash and Stab be modified (for those who own it) to be used with something besides a real nail (fake spike, knife etc)?

I have performed this trick replacing the nail with a live mouse. The advantage here is that the spec or magi is in no danger at all and yet an element of danger still remains.

A trick I have been doing for two years (and mentioned here on the Café for all to see) appeared on the Derren Brown show tonight in the UK. Coincidence? Maybe. Be careful what you tip here on the Café. I know Derren and his team are regular visitors here. It's meant to be magicans helping magicians, not magicans borrowing from magicians!
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On 2007-06-04 17:05, Andi Peters wrote:
I know a performer in the uk called Owen Lean who did this trick with his forehead and got it wrong. One trip to the hosptal and I don't think he'll be doing that again!


Lies! Supposition! Rumours! Heresey!!!

...ok.. its true. And I was suprised to find so few jokes about it in this post Smile

Yes, I have got this trick wrong with my head. I was very lucky when it went wrong the first time I've added mroe safety checks, but yep, its still dangerous.

I have said this on manyoccasions and wil say it again - Smash And Stab is a truly brilliant trick - I fully reccomend it and it has earned the vast majority of my income for the past three years. However, EVERY trick - no EVERY TRICK is one day going to go wrong if you perform it enough times, I've performed smash and stab thousands and thousands of times and as a result I think I now have one of the best and safest versions ever (he said modestly) - however, there will always be that danger that you'll get forgetful or locked into a routine or just SOMETHING untoward will happen and you'll get something wrong. This means you may end up hurting yourself - I, am cool with that, and quite happy to get hurt again - if you are not prepared to end up with a cut hand, then obviously this isn't the trick for you. If you are ok with a little bit of possible pain in your life (and the chances are still ridciulously low, but its still always there) then trust me when I say the smiles, laughter, hapyness and memories you will create from this trick are completely worht it. Many many magicians have done this trick WITHOUT ever getting it wrong I'll hasten to add - TV magician Keith Barry has had this as a regular part of his act for YEARS now and never got it wrong.

Obviously, speaking as someone who did it and got it wrong, doing it with your head is completely insane, absurdly dangerous and you would have to be stupid to try it.

...i still do this trick with my head.

Owen
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On 2009-11-04 08:22, Owen Lean wrote:
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...i still do this trick with my head.

Owen


Just the outside part, apparently Smile

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John, very good lol
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Just the outside part, apparently Smile

John


Ha ha, you win the prize for the best joke yet John

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I do a version of this in our show "Haunted! Mind Mysteries & THE Beyond!" that has been running for 5 years now. It is totally safe and uses two sharp real knives. The plot still has three paper tubes and is slightly different to fit our story line, Do not want to tip it here, but those who have seen the show might know what I mean. It starts the show to great excitement and a gasp. It is completely safe. You could be drunk, forget the routine, smash any of the two wrong paper tubes and not get hurt. Maybe I will market it someday.

I do not suggest doing this effect in any way, that if you smash the wrong tube or cup, you will be hurt. Trust me, someday, for what ever reason, you will be.

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On 2007-05-13 01:44, TT2 wrote:
I think that "Smash and Stab" is one of the most hyped effects in existence. Who told you guys that this was a good effect? It seems like many jumped on the bandwagon without thinking about it first.

It seems that someone, disgruntled by the "one in three odds" scenario that most spectators naturally flee to, decided to up the ante by introducing an element of fear and danger (and certainly did, outside of the gun roulette). IMO, that is bad magic. If we have to include the possible element of getting hurt so that people will watch our performance, I feel sad for magic.

It's just my opinion, and I'm not trying to harp on anyone doing this effect, but Gee Whiz Smile

-J.

I think you are being a little harsh. There are many entertaining elements in my show; silk to egg, giant b-wave, prof. nightmare etc. I am doing a college show and they like danger! Take a look at tv shows such as !@#$%^& and Wild Boys....I think it depends on what type of audience you are performing it for and how it is presented... I personally like the element of danger in the trick and every show must take your audience on a wild roller coaster ride.....
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Based on the amount of people who have been caught with this effect after practicing and doing it on a regular basis I would never use it. I have great respect for Scott Alexander’s line of thinking which basically equates to the use of a simple method that limits the possibility of injury and at the same time leaves the impression of great danger.
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Agreed.
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Well I have been using SPIKE, same effect, far less risk, and coupled with Sixth Sense, just about 100 percent. I helped launch this for World Magic at Blackpool a few years ago, while Smash and Stab was really hot. I liked it because it was far less risk, almost none if you followed a few basic rules, and double checks. Which I taught all who purchased it. I too have watched five friends come away bleeding with all the other versions. Why? If there is a chance it can really happen, it will. Never put yourself in that position. I watched one friend fumble, something went wrong, which was obvious, so he took a guess and did it anyway. Why? This is not the time to ad-lib, except to get out of it. You guessed it, he was wronmg, and then he needed medical attention. Folks, its supposed to look real, but not actually be real. Like the idiot who attempted a straight jacket eascape, hoisted up, rope set on fire, and your guess it, dropped on his head, and now is in a wheel chair. He had no clue how it was really done, so just copied what he saw. Once. OY.
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