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Thanks for the site tmoca.
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Personally, I enjoyed the bonus disk most of all. The hypnosis act was good, but the gold was in the routines at the end. I picked up an idea from one of those effects which well was worth the price of the set.

TMOCA, the hypnotism act is not new to Richard, he performs as both a mentalist and hypnotist. I'm glad he included it, several of us have been asking him a few questions on parts of it, now that we can see his performance, and many of the questions are answered.

Personally, I have only done a few local and cable segments in the past few years, my AFRTS performances are many, many years in the past, so I have no real recent experience to refute and endorse what Richard said and tried to prove with the series. What I can say is that the DVDs did make me think.

I'm not going to argue one way or the other on the production value either. These DVDs were (like Max Maven's last set) filmed as it would appear live, no reshoots, no camera edits, no special effects. This is rare in today's video productions for some very good reasons. A problem with this approach is that there were some minor technical issues that impacted a bit on the project.

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As for Chet and TMOCA both are decent people with differing opinions (but they both liked my book). That's good! If you don't agree with someone's words, say so, but don't mock the person. We all deserve better than that!

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Yeah I feel ripped off. Here I'm supporting a local magic shop and at the time I didn't know about the bonus disc.
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If you order $50 or more of anything at L&L, you will receive the bonus disc. A GREAT value!
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I would agree with Tmoca regarding Richard's performance style. I find it too informal and meandering. I reference Ken Weber's excellent book, "Maximum Entertainment," which discusses the importance of scripting and making sure your patter is lean with no unnecessary words or motions. Whenever I watch Richard, I feel that Weber would have a field day dissecting his performance.

Despite that, however, Richard is a very effective performer. And I attribute that primarily to the strength of his material. Because his effects are so good, he can get away with a lot. To a lay audience, this stuff is simply baffling.

I say all this to emphasize that anyone who is seriously interested in mentalism should purchase all of Osterlind's material, including this set. Not only will you get some outstanding effects and routines out of the box, but you will also learn a tremendous amount that you can creatively weave into your own original works.
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After speaking extensively with those in attendence at the filming, I would caution those of you who dismiss Mr. Osterlind's choices. Pretty much to the person they said that the "real person" or "unrehearsed" style made it feel more real, more "in the moment". If you could really do this, would you be slick and rehearsed, or real and a little gritty.

I know my answer. I know Richard knows his... and he knows it works.

Cheers!
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I don't think "slick" and "rehearsed" must necessarily go together. Also, those in the audience had nothing to compare Osterlind's performance to. Who knows whether they would have found a more polished performance more or less powerful? If we are comparing audience comments, I would direct you to those following Bill Malone's "On the Loose" series. Bill is definitely very polished and rehearsed, and just about every comment seemed to indicate it was one of the most enjoyable, if not the most enjoyable, magic performance they had ever seen.

Clearly, Richard's audience members were impressed by and enjoyed his show. I simply believe he could have made it even stronger with a more polished performance style.
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those in the audience had nothing to compare Osterlind's performance to.

On what grounds do you make that statement?

Comparing Bill Malone to a mentalist is just plain foolish on so many levels, not the least of which is they have different objectives... two different forms of entertainment.
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two different forms of entertainment.


Sorry to jump in. But I was interested by your statement. May I ask to whom? Is a general audience capable of differentiating the two forms? For them, is it just all "magic"?

Food for thought...

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Nope, to them it is all very different.
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Thanks,

I got my answer.

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Tom,

My point was simply that a well rehearsed performance in which the performer has taken the time to trim the fat, so to speak, and keep the presentation focused on what is most powerful and entertaining is, in my opinion, always stronger than one in which this has not been done. I don't for a second suggest that Osterlind should attempt to copy Bill Malone. They clearly have different styles and are doing different things. But one thing they have in common is a desire to entertain their audience.

Many performers are able to get by on the strength of their material alone, while others coast on sheer force of personality. The best are those that combine strong material with great presentation. Osterlind's material is so good that it allows him to be a little lazy with the presenation. While I don't believe that his presentation is necessarily bad, I do think it could be better.

My comment about not having anything to compare Osterlind's performance to was explained in the next sentence. I meant that one cannot take Osterlind's audience members' praise to indicate that the show wouldn't have been better if the presentation had been more streamlined because they had not seen a more streamlined and polished performance of the same material for comparison. Just my thoughts.
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Lumberjohn,

I thank you for your remarks and am sorry you did not thoroughly enjoy No Camera Tricks. My performance style, however, is quite deliberate and has served me well in the corporate market for over 35 years.

Richard
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On 2007-07-21 10:15, lumberjohn wrote:
one cannot take Osterlind's audience members' praise to indicate that the show wouldn't have been better if the presentation had been more streamlined because they had not seen a more streamlined and polished performance of the same material for comparison.

Ergo you can not make the claim you are making for the same reason.

I was there. I spoke to the audience members. I listened in on the conversations they had amongst themselves... politely mind you. I truly believe based on actually being there and listening to the audience that Richard's style made for a more real and therefore more impactful performance.

Your opinion is duly noted as are your credentials.

Cheers,

Tom
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Your opinion is duly noted as are your credentials.


Hmm. I wasn't aware that I had posted my resume. Perhaps I should be more careful what I put on Monster.com.

It is comforting that someone out there is doing credential checks on everyone who expresses an opinion on whether they liked a particular performance. I am a little fuzzy, however, on what exactly those credentials would be. Perhaps there is a correspondence course?
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I am a little fuzzy, however, on what exactly those credentials would be.

That was kind of my point.
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Well...I am coming into this discussion very late.

I have to say that I really get a kick out of people who have derogatory comments about the true professioinals in this business. I would further like to comment that putting on a "Magic Performance" is quite different than doing a "Mentalist Routine". Mentalists must use their audience much more than the magician (not saying that magicians do not use their audience) but they use them in a much more controlled manner. That alone makes much of what a mentalist does more off the cuff. While the mentalist can control to a certain extent his audience a magician does not even have to use the audience if he so chooses. A mentalist must think and react on his feet throuogh almost 90% of his routine whereas a magician after perfroming an act without the use of audience members can practically do it in his sleep, although it still must be done corectly and timing must be there along with misdirection, but having said that it becomes rote after a time, while the mentalist is always looking out for the unexpected.

Myself as a magician, mentalist get much more pleasure out of performing mentalism well than performing magic well. But that is just me. No matter, I love the art of both magic and mentalism.
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Your opinion is duly noted as are your credentials.

Cheers,

Tom


Sounds like Tom doesn't care for attorneys.

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Don't mind not seeing Janelle per se but not seeing Britney is unforgivable.
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Just wondering does Richard use his journey into hypnosis music in the induction on the bonus disk of No Camera tricks?
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