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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Jeb - He didn't riffle off a list. He described the presentations. I, being a magician and posting for other magicans shorthanded it to the names we all know. My co-worker is about a lay as laymen get. He knows no magic but he does watch television; he has seen Doug Henning, David Copperfield and David Blaine. He lives in the Seattle area where there are half a dozen people working in resturants. He was NOT unhappy with the performer. He enjoyed it and wanted to share it with me because he knows I like magic. I _did_not_ show any indication that I was disappointed in what he saw and enjoyed. But I was quietly sad about it.
To Paul - Like most people who have been into magic for twenty+ years I know tons of tricks well enough to tell if they are methodologically sound and potentially entertaining. That doesn't mean I perform any of them or that they're right for me. For example: I don't do any of the three methods I know for the linking pins. I know it's a fine trick and I even have a good script for it, but the script isn't suitable for me. That doesn't mean I couldn't honestly recommend it to someone for whom it is suited. IceRaven - My original post was about a professional (or semi-pro) working in a public venue and had nothing to do with beginners. My response to Paul's comment about what to recommend was simply that and not an attempt to change the subject. cheers all Bill |
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Peter Marucci Inner circle 5389 Posts |
Bill describes the tricks done by the restaurant magician as:
1. Invisible Deck 2. A routine where a Penny placed in his (the spectator's) wife's hand was tapped with a pen and changed to a dime because he couldn't tell me how it was done and said so... 3. Silk and Thumbtip 4. Sponge balls 5. Cups and Balls If the magician in question couldn't come up with some original presentations for THAT list, then heaven help the state of magic! Sounds like he was just going through the motions; the expression is: "He mailed in his performance." |
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
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He lives in the Seattle area where there are half a dozen people working in resturants. Those lucky Seattle area people:) Not your average area. re; He was NOT unhappy with the performer. He enjoyed it and wanted to share it with me because he knows I like magic. Wasn't that the bottom line? That the lay person enjoyed it? Maybe there were a few twists to the standard effects that only a magician would pick up on, after all you haven't seen the performance. Maybe some original patter that wasn't passed on to you word for word. I don't think you should be feeling sad about it until you had actually seen it yourself. There could be something about this performance you would like (I said could be..). re; I know tons of tricks well enough to tell if they are methodologically sound and potentially entertaining. I agree, me too, but potentially = possibility or promise of development. This is quite different to recommending a routine that you have fully audience tested yourself and know for sure gets great response. Of course, suggesting stuff you HAVE used but no longer use is different, we do leave perfectly good routines scattered in our wake. Peter, Bill is describing the tricks he identified from someone elses report. We don't know, and neither does Bill, whether there were any original patter presentations or not. Bill's beef seemed to be with the effects being used, so for instance, if he heard someone describing having seen you in a restaurant making three pieces of rope change length, you would probably fall in the same category as this unknown performer. What say you Bill? Of course from the act described one can only be absolutely positive of one thing... It wasn't me, lol. Paul. |
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
I do all of these tricks, every last one of them. The simple reason he is using these tricks is they floor lay people when presented correctly.
I also have most of Erdnase committed to memory and can do some very delicate sleight of hand. I know more tricks than I have any right to. Do I do any of this stuff for lay people? No. They find most of it ‘skillful’ and not magical. I am a magician not a juggler. Do I go out and buy the latest and greatest trick? No. I know good magic. I have been through the latest and greatest and most of it can’t hold a candle to a good sponge ball routine. At some point in our magical careers we become a bit snobby and deem this ‘old stuff’ junk. Then a guy like Blaine comes on TV and shows the world of magic just how powerful these hoary tricks are to the lay public. I work for real people. Real people do not care how I do a trick as long as it is magical and entertaining. All of these tricks are unbelievably magical and entertaining when presented properly. One of my pet peeves is the silk and tip trick you mention. In the twenty plus years I have been involved in magic I have seen hundreds of magicians perform this trick. About 4 of them presented it correctly. We need to look at the magic we perform honestly, and from a lay perspective if our intent is to entertain lay people. Watch Billy McComb do his Stage Sponge Ball Routine. Or Bob Sheets floor an entire bar with a package of Adams yellow sponge bunnies. See Eric Mead do the dime and Penny. See Cellini vanish and reproduce a small handkerchief. For the record, I relearned this trick when I started doing street work and I have spent many hours doing mirror and video work perfecting the handling of this very simple trick. Just because a method is simple it doesn’t mean the trick is easy to do well. I do this trick and ‘people in the know’ have said to me, “How do you do that with out the plastic TT?” See a tape of Don Alan performing the invisible deck. Better yet, listen to the reaction David Blaine gets from the spectator while doing this trick in his first special. There wasn’t much presentation but Blaine’s handling was right on. To the spectator the magic happened in their hands. It was powerful stuff. Finally, see Gazzo do the cups and balls. I have stood and watched in slack jawed wonder as this man entertains hundreds of people at a time for six or seven shows a day with this trick. His routine for this one trick can last an hour and it does not drag. When Gazzo does the cups and balls it is everything any magic trick should be. It draws cheers, applause, money, and gasps of stunned disbelief from his audiences. These tricks you mention are some of the most potentially powerful effects in all of magic. They are not beat to death and everyone has not seen them. They are amazing, powerful, and each and every last one of them allows you to construct a frame work around them that is pure you. You see that is the most important part of what we do. It isn’t the tricks we perform or the props that we use to do it with. It is the depth of our character and our personality that makes the people interested, and entertained, and mystified. The mechanics of the trick is the easiest part of our job even if the trick needs invisible seconds and perfect faros. We need to let them know who we are. We need to sell them on us. We need them to want to see us succeed. If we do not accomplish that no mater what tricks you do the audience will not care. They will have no connection or investment in the outcome. It is like going to see a movie and a character is undeveloped. If he dies at some point in the film who cares? We need them to care about us as performers. It has nothing to do with trick selection. Best, Dan- "MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
Well argued Dan, in fact, now I almost feel brave enough to admit I have a very well thought out sponge bunny routine that not only gets lots of laughs but leaves me reset.
Of course, I only use it occasionally, in between the original stuff... Paul. |
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Jeb Sherrill Inner circle Elsewhere 1161 Posts |
Bill,
Thanks for the clarification. It did seem to me that your friend was the one who felt "sad". My fault for misreading. I guess I understand your sadness, but I'm torn on agreeing with it. I'm a big one for originality myself, but I also understand the use of classic, time tested tricks. I also find that in restaurant atmospheres, it is much easier to do classic tricks, than to try my more original material, which frankly requires a different atmosphere. Also, the tricks you listed are often used in restaurants because of their easy reset time, ease of performance, and their mass appeal. In short, I do wish there was more originality in magic, but I can't really be upset with the magicians that aren't. Especially since in certain situations, I probably wouldn't be considered any more original than the guy you spoke of. There's also always the only debate about what originality means (effects, presentation, both, something else?). Sable
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
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On 2003-01-27 10:02, Danny Hustle wrote: Dan, of course that's correct but pretty much any decent trick can floor lay people when presented correctly. Watch Eugene Burger do Bert Alerton's Asprin Tin routine for example... a really silly trick that people love and that blows them away. And one that you don't see every day. Quote:
I also have most of Erdnase committed to memory and can do some very delicate sleight of hand. I know more tricks than I have any right to. Do I do any of this stuff for lay people? No. They find most of it ‘skillful’ and not magical. I am a magician not a juggler. Having spent many an hour watching Mike Skinner and Martin Nash I'd have to say that lay audiences find "skill" evert but as magical as a grown man poking a tiny silk hanky into his fist. To be honest layman often prefer displays of skill to "magic". The next time you're at a street fair count the number of people watching the juggers vs. the number watching the magician. Best, bill Quote:
On 2003-01-27 06:29, Peter Marucci wrote: Peter, I don't think he was mailing it in... I think he just didn't bother to find material so much as take what the world dropped into his lap. That's what I find sad. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Folks, going back to the situation of a magician entertaining at a resturant...
How come no one is noting that the cups for cups and balls are so 'special' or was he using resturant coffee cups? That might work well with the resturant providing small oranges to be produced and given to the audience. How about doing a 'card' trick using the resturant business cards that are usually up at the register? Let's really get creative and notice the take-out menu. Perfect for a prediction trick and/or a torn and restored routine. I have no qualms about someone 'doing the classics' when and how they serve in context. What one finds in the magic shop makes a great place to START learning a routine and mechanics. It then falls to each performer to personalize the routine and the props to suit the performing venue. Most readers of this forum already know many of the classic routines. I wish more readers would find ways to adapt the routines to serve their performing personae and venue.
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
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On 2003-01-28 01:16, wsduncan wrote: Contrary to what you might think, I do this trick as well (asprin tin). So does just about everyone else. This trick is no more original or under done as any other trick on your list. Have you seen Mr. Burger do the hat tear? As you said, ANY trick when presented properly will floor people. In my world the definition of a great trick is one that will floor people. I don’t need to go to the magic store with money in my hand and ask, “What’s new?” to floor people. I also have a working repertoire of tricks that could choke a horse. Most of it is 50 years old. Also most of it is rarely seen done by other magicians. But, I will not discount a trick just because other magicians do it if my audience likes it. Plus they have never seen ME do it. Truth be told, I do not run into too many people that have seen the vanish of a handkerchief. As a matter of fact when I do it, it usually elicits gasps and some curses from my audience. When done properly it is a good trick. When done properly it isn’t the same trick that every other magician is doing, is it? Quote:
Having spent many an hour watching Mike Skinner and Martin Nash I'd have to say that lay audiences find "skill" evert but as magical as a grown man poking a tiny silk hanky into his fist. To be honest layman often prefer displays of skill to "magic". The next time you're at a street fair count the number of people watching the juggers vs. the number watching the magician. I wish Mike were still around so that you could ask him. Interestingly, Mike also did every last trick on that list you mention and would floor people with it. Did you ever get a chance to see Mike do the ball and vase? As far as skill goes, that’s your opinion and that’s fine, but remember, if you are demonstrating displays of skill you are not a magician. You are a juggler. I’m a magician. I have spent hours and hours perfecting my card skills so that my audience has no idea how skillful I am. I was lucky enough to learn card work from gamblers and not magicians. Gamblers strive for mediocrity in their appearance. When I handle a deck of cards I look like your uncle Mike, but what happens is impossible. Just like real magic only cheaper. Funny you should mention street fairs. I am a busker and spend most of my time working Harvard Square. It is considered one of the toughest pitches on the face of the planet to make a buck in. I usually go home with a bag of money after doing tricks you look down your nose at. One of my closest friends is Gazzo. I watch Gazzo suck the audience away from every other performer in Quincy Market and draw them into his show. He shuts down all comers; Jugglers, fire-eaters, uni riders, singers, you name it, he beats it. NO ONE likes to pitch against Gazzo. He is considered one of the highest street earners in the world compared with every other street performer on the planet. This isn’t me talking, this is other buskers. It is a simple fact. His monetary exploits are legendary. Buskers still talk about an unprecedented 18-day run he had in Canada in 1989 that is still unbeaten. Now for the punch line, guess what tricks he does in his show? He vanishes a handkerchief in a TT, floats a card on the end of his magic wand, and does the cups and balls, three of the hoariest tricks in magic. And he KILLS real people with it. Gazzo is unique, therefore his show is unique. It doesn’t matter what tricks he does, so he does tricks that suit his venue. I do the same. The tricks are only tools in my toolbox. It really doesn’t matter what I do as long as I do it well. This gives me the freedom to match trick with venue. Most comedy clubs in the US do not allow magicians to do the cut and restored rope. They say it is hack and hoary and have seen it performed badly a million times. Then they see Mike Finney do it and it is the funniest thing they’ve ever seen. Mike does the Panama rope trick right out of Tarbell 2. It is one of the most over done rope tricks on the planet. But Mike does it better than just about everybody else. They are only tricks. If they are any good or not depends 100% upon the guy presenting them. Obviously, what you think is good magic and what the people I perform for think is good magic are two completely different things. In my world the only opinion that matters is that of the people I work for. As long as I am getting the reaction, the Kudos, and the paycheck, I must be doing something right. I am also raising the artform by doing them well. There are more hack magicians than hack tricks. Best, Dan- "MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
Wait a minute!!
We go through this whole post only to find out that the friend who described the tricks enjoyed them, and it was only you, the magician, who was "sad?"!!! Who the heck cares what you think? No offense. Who cares what I think either? We're magicians and our opinions about magic effects doesn't matter in the least. We have no objectivity in the matter. The layperson spectator is the only one who matters. How long will magicians do Invisible Deck? Well, maybe until people stop gasping, screaming, writing newspaper articles about me and booking me for shows based on that one trick alone. Until then, I think I'll stick with it. You can run along after me and explain to the audience that it's actually an old trick and they shouldn't have been moved by it. I've never done dime and Penny, but if your friend liked it so much, maybe I'll give it a shot. Sounds like he enjoyed it. Danny, thanks for mentioning Blaine's Invisible Deck presentation. I always laugh when magicians say it was a terrible presentation. They'll never get it. They forget to look at the spectator's reaction. They probably forget to look at their own spectators too. |
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Garrett Nelson Special user 644 Posts |
"Mike Finney do it and it is the funniest thing they’ve ever seen. Mike does the Panama rope trick right out of Tarbell 2. It is one of the most over done rope tricks on the planet"
To second what Danny said... I personally don't do many rope tricks, but seeing Mac King made me think hard about changing that...so if anyone needs any more proof of the power of rope, go see Mac. -Garrett |
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
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On 2003-01-28 09:18, Danny Hustle wrote: Ok, you got me there but you're kinda making my point for me. How many people did it before Gene put it in his lecture? None. It was a "lost" trick for the most part. Quote:
Interestingly Mike (Skinner) also did every last trick on that list you mention and would floor people with it. Did you ever get a chance to see Mike do the ball and vase? I did. It was a highlight of his lecture. I hope one day to have a reason to perform it. But I wouldn't dishonor his memory by simply parroting his routine. And, let's be fair. Skinner performed *** near every trick ever published or sold. And a fair number of unpublished ones... re: Gazzo Quote:
Now for the punch line, guess what tricks he does in his show? He vanishes a handkerchief in a TT, floats a card on the end of his magic wand, and does the cups and balls, three of the hoariest tricks in magic. And he KILLS real people with it. Gazzo is unique therefore his show is unique. Sadly, that's not true. Unique means unlike anything else. His show is still original but given how many people have parroted his act (in whole or in part) over the years it's no longer unique. It's just better. And that's my point. Why, if someone is a working pro who really understands how to sell a trick, and really believes that it's not the tricks but the performer, would he or she do the same old stuff that everyone else is doing and in the same ways? If you were a singer you wouldn't build your act around "Feelings" and "My Way" would you? Quote:
On 2003-01-28 22:43, bart wrote: No offense taken Bart. I guess that people are reacting to a perceived slam at their favorite tricks and not actually reading what I was trying to get across. I'll put it as clearly as I can: My friend liked the magic but it was abundantly clear that he perceived that everyone knows/does those tricks and that the magician lacked originality. That's the observation of a layman. I simply reported it and offered that I found it sad that a layman's perception of magic was that it was like a living re-run. I recall a magician once telling me that he did card to wallet and a spectator said "That must be a very easy trick to do." When asked why he thought that he said "Because every time I see a magician he does that trick." |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Bill,
It does look like there is a sentiment among some magicians which amounts to pragmatic realism. There is a hierarchy of needs that motivates people's behavior. Let's see if we can agree on a model of what has been expressed in this thread. 'Classic' routines get rewarded with money and praise. 'Novel' routines are usually awkward to present and uncertain in their rewards of money and praise. 'Artistic' routines are very personal and require extensive investment before they return comparable rewards of praise and money. 'Experimental' routines are often ineffective sources of praise and money. From a pragmatic view it seems a 'no brainer' why so many performers use a brainwave deck. It gets rewards of praise and money. In a way, it is nice to know that when someone wants a magician to perform they can get a reliable and fairly consistent entertainment product. Not many people who hire magicians are looking for a view of what is happening in the art of magic. Not a horrible state of affairs if you ask me. If you study the history of art and the lives of the known great artists you will find that the innovators were usually not well rewarded and the career artists knew that their livelihoods depended upon wealthy patrons and a consistent product. To put a fine edge on this situation, does anyone know who designed the 'artist studio' and its optics and peephole for doing tracings? How about who invented the metallic pigments that make bright white, gold and silver colors possible? Or who invented the airbrush? You get the idea. At least today we have books and anyone in our craft has the option to explore both the craft and the art of magic. Sincerely, Jonathan Townsend PS Some may wonder what motivates the creation of art. Art is about feelings and accomplishments. Should your feelings turn into a want of new artifacts you will be on the path of being an artist.
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
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On 2003-01-28 23:46, wsduncan wrote: The close up magic of Bert Allerton has been on my bookshelf since 1974. To this day I do almost every trick in it when it presents itself, from the magic square to swallowing a butter knife. I think Eugene Burger was still a social worker when I bought that book. EVERY good close up magician has had that book for years. Who said it was lost? I think it may have been lost to amateurs but it has been on the bookshelf of every professional close up worker I know since time out of mind. Quote:
I did. It was a highlight of his lecture. I hope one day to have a reason to perform it. But I wouldn't dishonor his memory by simply parroting his routine. Yup, and Mike Skinner was probably the greatest close up worker for real people that ever walked the planet. Do you know why that might be? He never looked down his nose at the standards. What do you think he was doing every night at the Lilly Langtree for the real people? Quote:
re: Gazzo You're wrong. If you don't believe me, ask Gazzo. Name one time you have seen anyone do Gazzo's act? Gazzo taught me his cups and balls routine move for move. I close my show with it. If you watched me do it and an hour later saw Gazzo do it you would think it was two different routines. Why, because they are two different routines. I do not use one line or bit of business from Gazzo’s routine. I wrote my own script. The trick is the same move for move but I’ve put my stamp on it. It is me not the trick. Do you realize Eugene Burger does almost no original material? He does the tricks move for move right from the books. All he does is add his own script. That is the hard part. Adding an entertaining entity to the trick. The trick proper is just a trick. Quote:
Why, if someone is a working pro who really understands how to sell a trick, and really believes that it's not the tricks but the performer, would he or she do the same old stuff that everyone else is doing and in the same ways? If you were a singer you wouldn't build your act around "Feelings" and "My Way" would you? Because it is not the same old stuff to THEM (my audience), it is the same old stuff to YOU (a magician). Do you know how may times in a normal person's life they see a magician live? Maybe twice. You know how many times they see them on TV? Maybe 10 times. You know how many times the average person sees a professional magician from two feet away? Probably once. These tricks you call junk are some of the most powerful and foolproof tricks on the face of the planet. Do you really think working professionals do these tricks because the methods are simple? They do them because they are powerful. Most of them are not easy to do well. Simple method and easy to perform are two different things. I have spent YEARS working on the vanish of a handkerchief in a TT. It blows people away. That is why I do it --THEY enjoy it. When you work in a restaurant or a bar setting you must have a HUGE working repertoire of tricks. You will even do some of them to the standard patter. Every trick in your huge repertoire cannot be an unusual performance piece. Your obligation is to do magic and do it well. I have plenty of original stuff that I do, but I also have “regulars” that have seen me do 100 tricks. At some point I am going to show them something that isn’t mine at all but something I purchased including script. I will do it well and they will enjoy it. That is what counts. Whit Hayden wrote a great article in The Magic Menu about the argument against originality. It was a very enlightening read and well worth checking out. I think Jim Sisti may have it available on his website for the Magic Menu. It is funny that you mention being a singer and building your act around a set of standards. In a former life I also worked as a professional singer. I sang standards, top 40, country western, you name it I sang it. I was working weddings during the 70’s. Do you have any idea how many people requested their first dance as a married couple to be to “Feelings” or to “You Light Up My Life”? I can answer that. Too many! For the record, I hate both of these songs like poison and still have nightmares about both of them. But when I sang those songs for the wedding couple, I sang it with everything I had. I was creating an important lifelong memory for two people on one of the most important days of their lives. I did not want to be the flaw to one of life’s perfect moments. As entertainers this is something we need to think about. It is not about us it is 100% about them. Any trick I build as a performance piece I build around a good trick. If it happens to be a standard trick it doesn’t bother me in the least. To my audience it is not a standard trick and it is all about them. Best, Dan- "MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
When someone asks me if that trick is easy to do or could they learn it, I use a comeback that I remember Harry Lorayne using a long time ago: "Any 10 year old could do that trick (pause) with 30 years experience." It gets a laugh and makes the point that magic is not a trivial art but requires intensive study, practice and experience.
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magiker Loyal user Sweden 283 Posts |
Why do people assume that the magician that they are watching is doing effects that others are doing, when they may have been doing it first. Iif most of the punters are enjoying it, then that's all that matters.
As they say, you can´t please all of the people all of the time.
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Magiker,
I'm pretty sure that Don Allen was doing the invisible pack long before the person I was posting about was. I think that people are missing my point, which is that, at least in the area where I live, magic is seen often enough that a layman realized that he was seeing the "greatest hits". Given that there are millions of tricks in print, I found (and still find) it sad that a performer couldn't find one or two original effects to perform. My point has been almost totally ignored in favor of defending the tricks I listed instead of commenting on the issue of why magicans don't practice what we all preach: "It's not the tricks, it's the performer." I'd really like to hear what people think is the reason that, if it's not the tricks, why we all seem to do the same ones when there's so much material to choose from? cheers |
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Kathryn Novak Special user PA 574 Posts |
For some, it's nostalgia. For others, it's the thrill of entertaining with something so old. True, he could have come up with some original material, I agree with you on that point completely. But it may have just been that those effects were the only material he put the time into learning and performing effectively. And he still amazed your friend with it, didn't he? There's probably more creative material on the way, perhaps your performer hasn't had time to put it to use yet.
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
It could also be because the material is effective and lay people love it.
Unless you have worked an eatery, you are armchair quarterbacking. These tricks mentioned are perfect for this setting and as the original poster admitted, the people who saw it enjoyed it. It is good magic. If you ask me (and no one did )there is much more new junk being put out than ever before. A lot of untried pipe dreams are making the magicians twitch because they are different. Big deal. Magicians should be taking a look at what is good and not what is "new". Speaking of old, you can still pick up the Allerton book for about 8 bucks and it is still one of the best books on the planet for people doing eatery magic. Surprisingly, few people other than pros use the stuff in the book and it appears oh so "NEW" and "ORIGINAL" to a lot of the people who gripe about the I. deck. Good magic is good magic. Best, Dan- P.S. I have nothing against New or Original I use them too. But bottom line is it needs to be GOOD. "MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Hi Dan,
In reading this thread a few times I was left with the feeling that there are two issues being addressed and then it struck me that an audience should only really be aware of one of them. I have seen a few presentations of the 'gypsy thread', though what Peter Samuelsen did struck me on a different emotional level. When you perform, do people come away with a memory of what you put into your routines? I'm trying to get at a question about magicians infusing a personal sentiment or story into their routines. What are your feelings about this? Regards, Jonathan
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