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Robin Parker
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I've watched H. Rosenthal's pass at his site and it is something special! If I could attain such mastery. R. Kaufman will eventually publish a book on H.R.'s magic and I do hope the square-up pass is included.
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I just recently started using the pass (one month). I am probably not all that good at it but nobody sees me doing it.



I will share my technique in a second... but first, more important than the technique..



Performing for magicians or yourself is very different from performing for an audience. Perform for yourself and you are very critical of every move because you are aware of it. Perform for magicians and they are watching for each move. Perform for laymen and they are watching because they want to see some magic and have some fun.

Be entertaining and interactive and you can do almost any move in front of them.



Also, I donít present myself during my routines as any kinda card manipulation expert - I handle the cards the way a guy who doesnít do card tricks handles them (but who is capable of handling cards).



I was just messing with The Pass and decided to practice on some relatives I was visiting and they are just happy to see a trick, I did the pass right in front of their eyes (probably pretty slow and crappy) but they had no clue because they were not looking for anything.. just anxious to see a trick and be entertained.



Here is what I do plus obvious tips



a) I donít look at my hands when I do it



b) I keep it REALLY loose (and slow)



c) I usually spread the cards out from my left hand to right hand, stop, have them place card on pack in left hand, then feed/spread the cards from my right hand back into left



d) doing "c" ends up with a "messy" stack, so in straightening out the edges I do the business



e) while I am doing "d" I just yak about something and look really nonchalant (is that how you spell it?) because if you donít think you are doing anything you wonít look like you are doing anything - I call this Self-Misdirection.. fooling yourself that you are not really doing a sleight when you are actually doing one!



f) during all of this I always keep my hands in motion and have eye contact with the spectator.



If you are scared to do a pass... just try it anyway on a friend and just look them in the eye when you do it and donít think about it.
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Mitch
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Hey Scott... thanks for the qualifier but not at all necessary - the board is here for discussion so feel free to comment pro or con on anything I say as it is the differing opinions that make things interesting and teach us all a thing or two!



Did not mean to suggest that misdirection can replace effective handling... just wanted to pass on that it can compensate for a lack of mastery of a move.



In these posts I have seen a number of folks comment on how they feel they are not ready to perform the pass because they canít get it right. I am just suggesting that, that is ok, donít worry because with good misdirection (and good self-misdirection) you can get away with a less than perfect pass. At least that is my experience.



You know its funny... about how different folks watch magic. I was thinking about it last night after reading your post that there are really four perspectives on watching magic:



a) Kids - they watch magic and believe it is magic... for them this is pure fun! They donít ask "How did he/she do that!" they just go.. "Wow... Magic!".



b) Adults who wish to be fooled - Adults know there is no "real" magic but love to be entertained by being fooled and the marvel is in how did he/she do that! These are the people that may come up after the show and thank you for a great show.



c) Adults who donít like to be fooled - These are the folks that are out to "catch" the magician. They spend less time relaxing and enjoying the show and more time trying to show others that he/she will not be fooled.



and..



d) Magicians - magicians marvel at the way other performers perform slieghts and conduct routines. They are not looking to be fooled but impressed by handlings and routines. Wow... that guy used the simplest slieghts to pull off a great effect! or.. I know he/she just did the pass but I could not even see it. We learn a great deal from others this way.



So you are very accurate when you say that laymen are sometimes looking for what you are doing.. but my experience has also been that they are generally in the minority... and that if they do figure it out then they have achieved some satisfaction but I figure they lose the most cause they missed the "magic".



I hope I have not wandered too far off topic here (although I think I have).. hope others find this interesting.... perhaps a topic for another board...
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While I am certainly no expert, and I will admit that my pass is based on 'mis-direction', the most important part is "Timing". A fraction of a second can make a real difference one way or the other.

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On 2001-11-06 05:53, Mitch wrote:

Did not mean to suggest that misdirection can replace effective handling...just wanted to pass on that it can compensate for a lack of mastery of a move.




Very true, but it's also worthwhile to note that mastery of misdirection is a heck of a lot more difficult than mastering the pass. And that's the reason I spent so much time on my pass - I'd rather have someone to burn my hands as I execute it than I would to misdirect them, which is so much more difficult Smile



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Lonnie Dilan
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I have seen Dorianís Pass in person! All I can say is what pass? I asked him to do it over and over again... itís just CLEAN!

I am a fan of the pass and I know a few of them, but this pass is by far, way SUPERIOR to any pass out there.



Guys!! when Paul Davidís video comes out I recommend you all get a copy. You will not be sorry.



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Dorian Rhodell
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Hey Lonnie,



Wow, Thanks for the compliment! I added some nice touches to it since the last time I saw you. I think you'll like them. And I agree, when Paul David's vid comes out.....everyone who is seriously into card magic should take a look.



Take care,

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You da man Dorian! Smile
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"NINJA STEALTH CARD TECHNIQUE" is a great video that shows a couple of versions of the pass and how to make it invisible. Check it out at ellusionist.com and before you ask I am in no way involved with the web site...
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Check out the (mostly dissenting) opinions of the Ellusionist products in the review section of the Cafe.
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Lonnie Dilan
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I recently learned a pass it's a variation of the Herman Pass called the Shadow Pass and I have to say it's a really cool clean pass. Looks good..or I should say doesn't look like anything.



anyone else hear of the shadow pass?
Luke Dancy
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Lonnie the "Shadow Pass" that you mentioned is my baby. Iím glad to hear that you have messed around with it and find it useful in your work. Enjoy it my friend.



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Being good friends with Luke (^^^^) itís kind of hard for me to say this without sounding corny or as if Iím trying to advertise the move, but Iíll try anyway. Smile



The Shadow Pass should be renamed

THE Shadow Pass as it is simply

THE Pass you should learn!

I use it all of the time for occasions when my own Pass isnít suitable and in fact, my Pass originated from Lukeís handling.

The beauty of the move is that it elimates the white streak that we often see, in fact, itís impossible not to eliminate the streak when performing the move, and that in my book is priceless.



If you want to learn a Pass for the first time, or have been using it for years this is the move for you.



--Andi



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Big Al Jnr
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Hi Robin



The best pass Iíve seen is in the local magic shop on a Saturday afternoon.

A guy called Adam does a "jiggle pass". Heís always fiddling with the cards when he is performing and this gives him excellent misdirection for the jiggle pass, it just looks like heís fiddling with the cards. The mechanics are difficult to describe here and I donít know where it is described. Iíll ask this weekend and post details.

Regards, Al.
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Dorian Rhodell
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The Jiggle pass belongs to Neal Elias. When I was hanging out at Larry Jennings house many a year ago, I saw him do the jiggle pass. Well, I didn't actually see him do it but my card always ended up on top with a very soft jiggle of the cards. Look in Derek Dingle's book for details on his take of this pass.



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Scott O.
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On 2001-12-12 18:58, Luke Dancy wrote:

Lonnie the "Shadow Pass" that you mentioned is my baby. . . ."





Luke,



Your Shadow Pass seems to come highly recommended. Do you have it in print somewhere?



Scott O. Smile
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Big Al Jnr
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Thanks Dorian, I had no idea who the íjiggle passí should be ícreditedí to, now I know.



Cheers, Al Smile
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Luke Dancy
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Scott, to answer your question. My 5 o'clock Shadow Pass (commonly known as the shadow pass) was already released once in booklet form for a limited number of people. The ones that I did have sold out and I thought nothing more of it. Andi Gladwin asked me if I'd like my pass included in a new book he's working on with his pass and another original pass. Needless to say I took him up on the offer and the book from what I understand is in the works (Ask Andi about those details)



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Luke Dancy
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Just to extend on Lukeís post...



As soon as Luke taught me his move I started playing around with my own variations on it. The move didnít need any changes but itís just the way I am... always fiddling with moves. Eventually I arrived at a point that had moved miles away from Lukeís pass and I taught my version to him.



I knew that my íbusiness partnerí Andy Leviss had also spent a lot of time on a very unique pass and I suggested to the guys that we team up and publish them in one booklet. And thatís what we decided to do!



Itís in production and I expect that we will have it finished by the middle of January. Iím currently in talks with a printing company to make this an extremely high quality production (think Ben Harris level) as I think the quality of the material (here I refer to Lukeís and Andyís moves far more than mine) deserves it.



So the short answer - itís nearly finished. The long answer... itíll be out in March (or perhaps a little before) and will sell somewhere in the area of $10 - $15.



--Andi



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