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C-Taylor Loyal user 261 Posts 
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"theres a lot of good card magic in that book, unfortunately you have to have skill to do most of it."
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sodman12 Special user raleigh 601 Posts
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No bueno for them
you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but never all of the people all the time.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Thanks. I wonder what shuffle they used. Give him a bell and ask him for us will you.
 If it came to trial they would have to show the eye tapes I guess.
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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts
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Even without eye tapes...if they got caught using electronics in a casino, that is also a felony in Nevada. I'm not sure about other locations.
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Chris Stolz Inner circle Mississauga, Ontario 1958 Posts
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Ouch. If the cops don't punish him, Daddy certainly will!
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts
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I used to work at one of the casinos and its not the first time..
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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That must have been when you were just an Amateur Slacker then.
:)
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts
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Jon, guys were actually busted at your casino up here in Niagra!
There was a great couple of articles in the paper. Essentially, the bribed dealers maintained a slug somewhere in the center of the deck. During the dealing process the players would notice the cards from the slug coming up, and bet the sky. If you play mini baccarat you can see how effective this would be. Clearly, so did the authorities. Naughty naughty!
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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts
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They must have been poor false shufflers....while stacking a decks takes a lot of practice...maintaining a stack is not only easier....but, more deceptive especially if you use "Steven's" style shuffling techniques.
I bet they tried a "Push through" or a "strip-out" style false shuffle in order to maintain the full deck vs. just maintaining a block. I think a better scheme would be to use the same computer to track the cards. But, modify the software to account for faro shuffles. Now, you can really shuffle the deck...of course that are "perfect" shuffles
Regardless, the casinos will still nail you on using electronics to help you beat the game.
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts
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Hi Expert.
When you say Stevens' shuffle, you mean "Dad Stevens' other Shuffle" or his concepts for the strip-out work? Regardless, there are much easier ways to maintain a small slug- shuffle cards, drop block, continue shuffling. That leaves a small block of known cards in a known order in the middle. This is what I BELIEVE the dealers used. I am still looking into details though. Jon, maybe you can fill in some blanks?
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Mr. Z Special user 818 Posts
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On 2007-05-27 01:06, Expertmagician wrote: Yeah, because you could take any dealer and teach them to do a deceptive push-thru or strip-out in a short amount of time... The stuff these guys most likely used would bore you people to tears.
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts
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The moves would bore all of you to tears because from what a little bird told me today, the method used was just lopsided shuffles.. sorry guys, no formula stacks, push through or zarrows... just some good old rookie dealer moves..
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NJJ Inner circle 6437 Posts
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I like the way the article 'explains' the shuffling and stacking.
To us, it seems so simple a concept but in the article it comes across as a complex and unique idea. |
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Mr. Z Special user 818 Posts
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On 2007-05-27 02:32, iamslow wrote: Yup. Which I might add, is a piece of cake considering the various procedures used to shuffle a multi-deck shoe.
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silky2 New user 20 Posts
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Darn, they go out of their way to protect the casino. lol
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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts
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Nordatrax,
Yes, I was referring to "Dad Stevens" ... I personally like it to control and segragate blocks of cards. Sure, there are easier ways. But, easy does not always mean deceptive
However, everyne must find their own balance between simple/effecient motion/moves and deception. Just don't do it in a casino and if you do, just do it ONCE...never go back.
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C-Taylor Loyal user 261 Posts
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I'm sure it wasn't the shuffling that tipped them off it was probably the 90k winning. You'd be surprise at what some dealers pull in the casino's.
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts
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On 2007-05-27 15:25, Stacked wrote: I don't think its the 90K bro because just at the casino I worked at that was involved, you can play 10K a spot of full Bac and you are allowed 2 spots... bring along 3 other buddies and that takes your table max to 80k a hand.. imagine knowing the outcome of the next 20 cards... you only need less than 10 mins..
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sodman12 Special user raleigh 601 Posts
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On 2007-05-27 15:50, iamslow wrote: This is true but they most likely were not playing at that high of stakes. And when your making usual bets its always a tip off.
you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but never all of the people all the time.
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The Dowser Special user Canada 763 Posts
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Yes some one was arrested in Niagara but the casino here was not a target of this group, it was another casino in this province. They did not hit the full baccarrat tables where the limits are the highest but instead they preyed on mini and midi bacc' where they found shuffle procedures conducive to their play. they also hit bj tables at some casino's and as far as it looks at the moment they may have used more than one method to due this. There was electronic technology involved in some of there plays. I've also heard that they attacked the 16 deck shuffle machines (two sets of eight) by simply pretending to switch the "just played set" for the "just shuffled set" and actually just redealing the set that was just played and leaving the shuffled set in the machine.
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