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Jlowhy
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Hi everyone, I'm posting this video on BEHALF for a friend who can't post in here because of certain email restrictions for registering in The Magic Café.

This is the description that he has provided for a Coin In Bottle effect that he came up with:

Sealed and Stuck
A factory sealed bottle is shown empty on all sides. The magician borrows a coin and melts it through the factory sealed bottle. Like Slam the coin is stuck inside the bottle too. Everything can be examined

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqmSbSjsSTM

The video quality is very poor because it's done with a webcam but he says he'll try to get a better video as soon as possible.

On his behalf, I'll like to ask if anyone has seen anything similar in effect, whether this could be in anyway be exactly like what Nick Verna's versions are like? (for those who've seen it)

Thanks alot.
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Wow that was great! Semms like how e describes thier cibs.
Looks original...since their arn't many factory sealed coin
in bottles anways.
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WOW. I wondered how an ACTUALLY "visual" melting could be done. I LOVED it. Especially the sinking. Kinda had that "this is an illusion that it is inside, now it REALLY is" feel.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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That is wild! I have never seen a CIB like that before (and I have seen a ton), so I would say it is original. Smile
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My friend, Ace, is looking into the possibility of marketing the effect if it is original. I'm hoping that someone could point us in the right direction on whom we can approach.

Thanks.
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Contact Ellusionist and go for it!!! That clip was awesome!
Brian-
"That smart thing that somebody else said".
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Looks fantastic, if this is different in method to Nick Vernas then I so go for it! I'd def pick it up.

Your friend could release it himself.
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To me it looks a lot like passing thru's gimmick.
If that's the case, then I've seen that approach before with liquid.
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But the coin is too big to come back out and they say it can be done signed.
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It looks like a Passing Thru-like gimmick, which is never ever clean and not easy to work with.

I honestly don't see any "visual" penetration here...None.
All I see is "gravity".

A coin FALLING visually is not the same as a coin penetrating visually.

I do see a lot of movement though, THEN the suggestion of a coin in bottle.
(typical)

I don't see the novelty here.
A Passing Thru-like gimmick...has been done before, with and without liquid.
I'm convinced, it's a Passing Thru-like gimmick, unless someone who knows can state otherwise.

Jlowhy?
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Neither me nor my friend owns Passing Thru. There is a gimmick involved but only to achieve the sinking effect of the coin. My friend has two other versions that do not use gimmicks so it'll satisfy magicians who just want a penetration effect. When my friend gets a better cam, he'll post them out as well.

Additionally, he doesn't see how the gimmick that he uses can be used to achieve Kevin Parker's Passin Thru.

Perhaps you could direct me to sources or videos where variations of Passing Thru has been used to achieve what my friend did. Would really appreciate it. Thanks.
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I suggest you get every coin in bottle you can before you go marketing something.
"OOPS I didn't know", doesn't cut it.
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I agree with GM. It would be wise to backcheck this and make sure it hasn't been done before. Whether you hire a historian or as GM so brilliantly put it...get familiar with every other CIB out there. hehe.

Matthew Mello
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The illusion of a coin appearing inside the bottle, then falling to the bottom is EXACTLY what I feel is valuable in that clip.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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All I see is the coin fall from behind the bottle.
At no point do you ever see the "penetration" occur.

All I see is a coin fall from behind the bottle (where he displays it initially).
It just rides along the backside (where he put it in the first place).
There is no visual change or evidence that the coin ever entered the bottle.
The coin looks exactly as it always did (behind the bottle from the initial display).
It's just not convincing.

It clearly is NOT in the bottle, it doesn't even land at the base naturally.
Not a visual penetration at all, just a visual coin falling obviously OUTSIDE of the bottle.
It just goes behind his fingers.

A coin FALLING visually is not the same as a coin penetrating visually.

I am 99.999% sure that is what you are doing. If so, it's nothing new.

If it isn't what you're doing, best of luck to you.
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On 2007-05-29 13:18, gmmagic124 wrote:
All I see is the coin fall from behind the bottle.
At no point do you ever see the "penetration" occur.

All I see is a coin fall from behind the bottle (where he displays it initially).
It just rides along the backside (where he put it in the first place).
There is no visual change or evidence that the coin ever entered the bottle.
The coin looks exactly as it always did (behind the bottle from the initial display).
It's just not convincing.

It clearly is NOT in the bottle, it doesn't even land at the base naturally.
Not a visual penetration at all, just a visual coin falling obviously OUTSIDE of the bottle.
It just goes behind his fingers.

A coin FALLING visually is not the same as a coin penetrating visually.

I am 99.999% sure that is what you are doing. If so, it's nothing new.

If it isn't what you're doing, best of luck to you.


The illusion, and it is a perfect one at that, is that it is falling through the water. Try dropping a coin and see if it floats like that in AIR.

Also, the illusion is that it looks like you are just doig what you were just doing with holding it behind the boottle, and that its blown away when it is let go of and it floats down.

What you are saying is likw saying a guy drops a ball from one hand to the other a few times, and then on the third time he drops it and it floats down slowly, and you say so what he is just droping the ball.

The pretense set up in this one is similar to floating a bill but starting with it just clinging to your hand, it isn't untill you let go that the real magic happens.

It looks like it is just held with your hand to make the "illusion" that it is floatin (or in this case in the bottle) and then the PROOF comes when you take your hand away and it floats.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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Nice...
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"Wow, how nice.. learning magic in open foruns" - this could be what any layman could have said if reading this. I have to agree with gdw. How can anyone comment in an effect without knowing the secret? I'm not affiliated with the creator in any way, I just have my opinion and I think no one should discuss or try to expose anything just because it looks good, or because that person does not knows how to achieve the effect.
I have no idea how it works, I just think it looks great and that's all it matters.
Correct me, if I'm wrong.
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What illusion?

It doesn't look like it is in the bottle at all.

gdw,
A coin does not float, it FALLS.
Plus, a coin does not fall that way in water. Go ahead, drop a coin in a real bottle of water, then see how it really looks compared to that. (viscosity)

I see the coin falling down the BEHIND the bottle.
That is what I see.
That is just what I see.

It looks like the coin rides along the back of the bottle.

That is what it looks like to me.
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It just doesn't look convincing to me, that's all.
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