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Majestic12
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This looks interesting. I bet this turns out to be awesome once it is released. I think there is much more to this that we all "think" we know!

Guess we will all have to see Smile
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Will the "Bone Crunching" Sound effects be included with the purchase price????

*haha*
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Come on guys... What are you saying?

There has been some awesome feedback on the teaser, and I personally think that it's incredibly creative. There's a lot more to it than you think. I recommend you pick this up right now. It's actually a well known fact that Andrew fooled a TV producer into thinking he was an actual little person. No joke. Think of it from a laymens perspective.
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I am suprised a lot of you don't seem to be giving this a chance. It is not even out on the market yet and already people are trying to tear apart the methodology behind it.

I personally believe this is one of the most complex solo illusions Andrew is going to release. As stated from Maynes store , "Shrinker is a specially manufactured item" and that doesn't mean the DVD! Smile

I suggest we all wait it out until is hits the shelves.
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Please all you "smart guys" try using the idea you believe to be the method then walk forward like that.

I'll wait while you do that. Oh, did you fall down? Better buy the DVD.
Sheesh, you guys are worse than my mother in law with the negativity and wisecracks.

I'm buying it!!! Yeah.
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WOW! This looks absolutely awesome! I am going to be picking this up for sure.
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Some people never learn not to judge an effect by their own impressions. Of course we know how it's done. Big deal! Now go on, go to your mirror and watch yourself. It does not look anything near what Andrew is doing. There is something else.

And Peter Marvey, a swiss illusionist, has been using a version of this for a very long time now. Here's a clip: http://www.marvey.ch/video/BizzareMutations_250.wmv
Watch the reactions.

So stop wining and go to sleep!!
Yours,

Ivan
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I am sure there is a lot more to it than what we think.
Obviously there is a gimmick, needs some practice, and knowing how to walk.
But that really doesn't matter.
Look at it like a layman.
How would they see it?

They do not have to do into detail on how to explain a trick.
They can be very broad and it's good enough for them.
So when a layman says thinks they know the method,
that's all they need to feel as though they figured it out.
They don't need to go into any more detail than that.

This is the problem with a trick like this.

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EddyRay
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On 2007-06-03 18:30, niva wrote:
Some people never learn not to judge an effect by their own impressions. Of course we know how it's done. Big deal! Now go on, go to your mirror and watch yourself. It does not look anything near what Andrew is doing. There is something else.

And Peter Marvey, a swiss illusionist, has been using a version of this for a very long time now. Here's a clip: http://www.marvey.ch/video/BizzareMutations_250.wmv
Watch the reactions.

So stop wining and go to sleep!!


That Peter Marvey clip is so fun to watch !
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I wonder how many grown men are going to be running to a mirror now.
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Majestic12
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On 2007-06-03 18:33, randirain wrote:
I am sure there is a lot more to it than what we think.
Obviously there is a gimmick, needs some practice, and knowing how to walk.
But that really doesn't matter.
Look at it like a layman.
How would they see it?

They do not have to do into detail on how to explain a trick.
They can be very broad and it's good enough for them.
So when a layman says thinks they know the method,
that's all they need to feel as though they figured it out.
They don't need to go into any more detail than that.

This is the problem with a trick like this.

Randi


You could say that about all magic tricks. I think presentation, showmanship, personality is what creates the real magic for people.. but if people don't want to spend time working on that too bad!
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In a few weeks this will be in the hands of other people and weíll get their reactions. Until then, Iím just the guy selling this so anything I say is going to be put in that context.

For those of you that feel you understand something of the method; congratulations. The money your parents spent on magic camp wasnít wasted. The need to explain how you thinks itís ďobviouslyĒ done is a bit contradictory. I will say that the real solution is more sophisticated than you might guess.

As the only person who has performed this live for lay people, I can say that the weirdness factor overwhelms skepticism. My friends still get weirded out when I do it for them. And they know exactly how it works.

Shrinker is meant as a fun, weird one-man illusion. The opinion of my professional illusionist colleagues is that itís visually superior to stage illusions that go for several thousands of dollars.

Iíve been approached twice since the release of the demo about television rights. Plus the amusing request I got on MySpace because a producer saw my Shrinker photo and stated height (2 foot) and wanted to cast me in a reality series for little people. I had to declineÖ

Personally, Iím more proud of this than any other illusion Iíve released. Even Gut Buster Ė which had more controversy than this.

The ultimate test isnít the demo (which I try to make as fair as possible Ė maybe too fair considering that your live audiences wonít be able to pause or rewind) or even what purchasers initially think. Itís audience reaction. People freak out when they see this. In a few weeks people will have this in their hands and weíll be hearing about their audienceís reactions.

If you donít like it, fine. Iím really okay with that. Iím trying to push the boundary of illusion into an area thatís different. Other than one-man levitations, thereís not much out there. In my opinion, comparing this too a close-up trick like Ghost Bills is nonsensical.

Iíve put a number of responses to comments below:

Magicsquared: (See above) If you believe something is obvious, why do you have to point it out?

DougNicols: There are multiple ways to use this effect. Itís angle limitations range from those of a self-levitation to none at all (and can be done on stage). BTW: Your finger pulling analogy applies to all of magic.

Terrick: I only got the cops called on me once. And that was because I was doing Shrinker in a kilt.

Dave Forrest: I wouldnít sell the booklet you described either. I suggest you try your method. Youíre upset that people are praising this? Thatís just plain weird. Relax. Itís just an illusion. You seem more worked up over positive hype than I do on the negative comments. There will be plenty of reviews of this effect to help people decide to buy it or not.

Thomas Wayne: I think anything is up for an opinion personally. I think the problem here is that some people like what they see and others are upset that they like it. Iím surprised that something being obvious is the deciding point for you. I donít think Iíve ever bought a trick that I didnít already know how it worked.

Eddie Garland: Two more wordsÖGeorge Carl

Thehawk: Iím going to say ďnoĒ.

Joshua Barrett: (see my original comment to magicsquared)

Bsears: Everything is relative. The reaction to the promo has been overwhelmingly positive. I showed everything in one shot and gave people the benefit of being able to pause, rewind and watch again. Something your real world audiences donít have. How well does your best trick stand up under that scrutiny?

Magicmanfrank: How to do the bone crunching *is* explained in the DVD.

Sincerely,

Andrew Mayne
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Took the words out of my mouth. Randi, that can be said for many effects. In fact many times laymen come close to a solution. The girl is not actually floating, she's hanging. Ok, but how, since you couldn't see anything and hoops were pased around her.

"Look at it like a laymen" - Unfortunately we all can't. We have lost that innocence when we delved too much into magic. I have tried it before, but I failed. Some effects that I thought would be great, didn't, and vice versa.

And I bet most of you viewed the video more than once to confirm your suspicions. Admit it, I did. In a real world performance that is not possible. I am not saying that laymen won't make assumptions (they try guessing all the time), but they will remain with the question. If they try it they won't succeed.

I will have to try it on laymen, that's the only way, and I am sure Andrew Mayne has already done that.
Yours,

Ivan
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On 2007-06-03 19:14, andrewmayne wrote:

Magicsquared: (See above) If you believe something is obvious, why do you have to point it out?



Andrew,

You have me confused with someone else. I didn't point any particular method, I didn't need to because it IS obvious.

I've shown the clip to 4 friends who have no magic background and all were well aware of what was going on in general. Did they know all the subtleties? No, they didn't, and neither do I. The thing is, if you float a bill it doesn't matter if the spectator knows the exact thread hook-up, all that matters is if they know you're using thread or not.

As I've said before, I'm a huge fan of yours and own most everything you've ever released. I'm not here to bash you. The effect doesn't do it for me, that's all.
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Haha, thanks for the response, Andrew. When you first started to shirnk, though, I honestly thought, "What! Why is he taking off his-oh..he's tiny now."

My only problem was that, whether they are wrong or not, it seems like spectators would immediately think one thing, and the video doesn't give us a reason to think that there's a way to prove them wrong other than the walking toward them. BUT like I said before, if you're releasing it, then it must have good reactions. So if you say people love it, I believe you, and it must look better in person than on video.

But while you're here, I'm curious about one thing: Can you/have you done it in reverse? It wouldn't affect my opinion, but I think growing would look pretty cool. I mean, I guess it would probably have to be your opening effect in that case, but still.

Also, will you be releasing an additional gimmick that will allow you to secretly inhale helium while shrinking in order to raise the pitch of your voice? (Joking, of course.)
andrewmayne
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Terrick: You can use it to shrink and then grow. On the DVD that comes with the effect I show you how to use it as an opening where you step out of a cardboard box all shrunk and then grow to normal size. That can be done 360 degrees (including getting the box onstage without a helper). Thatís probably the strongest presentation for it. People will think youíre a real little person when you start off!
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Here's the cool thing! The general magic public hasn't had this in
their hands yet, so you don't know for sure what this is. By all
means, you are allowed to speculate till your fingertips bleed, but in
the end, you may end up sounding like the layman that thinks street
levitations are done with powerful electromagnets.

Derek Merdinyan
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I must say I have faith in Andrew when it comes to his products. I have yet to purchase a product of Andrews that has been poor quailty because I can only imagine how much work Andrew puts into his products including the field testing he does to his spectators. I for one will get this when it comes out.
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I for one can not wait for this product, and who are all of you to say what this effect is or isn't? If you don't like this effect DON'T BUY IT! It's as simple as that.
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On 2007-06-03 18:36, Taurus wrote:
I wonder how many grown men are going to be running to a mirror now.


You mean more than usual?

It's been said that if the average magician watches a trick and knows how 90% of it is done, but is fooled by the other 10%, then he considers it is a good trick - whereas, if a layperson is fooled by 90% of the trick, but can figure out 10% then he [the layperson] decides he knows how the trick is done.

I once performed "Triumph" at a private function, and immediately prior to the climax I asked the woman to name her selected card; it was the King of Hearts - something I remember several years later (this had such an impact on me). I then revealed that the entire deck had righted itself, save for her card, and she proclaimed: "Oh, that was really good, but we saw it on TV". Huh? I asked her when she "saw it on TV", and she said it was "on one of those shows where they explain how tricks are done".

So now I was really baffled! When I perform Triumph, I use a signed card that the spectator returns to the deck and then shuffles. I follow with two shuffles of my own (both push-through false shuffles) and a pretty thorough up-the-ladder. Then comes a really nice face-up/face-down multiple pile display that is very convincing. The work in this routine is significant, and I couldn't possibly imagine any exposure show going to that kind of trouble to explain secret work that few performers would trouble themselves with anyway (more's the pity on that, btw).

So I said: "Really? They explained how this was done on television? What did they say?"

She replied: "When you asked me to name my card it distracted me, and that's when you did the secret move." lol

I congratulated her on paying such close attention and on having such a good memory. And I learned the valuable lesson that laypeople will grasp hold of (and cling tenaciously to) ANY solution that seems even remotely possible.

For the most part I think that spectators will come to a conclusion about the method of performing "Shrinker" and that will be all they'll need to know.

TW
MOST magicians: "Here's a quarter, it's gone, you're an idiot, it's back, you're a jerk, show's over." Jerry Seinfeld
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