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Hello all, I'm sure someone here can help me out on this. I'm currently learning the AS. I'm new to the mem deck scene. I understand that the AS has many built in effects.

My question is: If I had to choose one book to begin with which should I start with. I would like a good book with a generalized explanation but I would also like to get as many of the built in effects explained with the AS as possible.

Thanks in advance for your recommendations.
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Bound To Please by Aronson.
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I started with Bound to Please, and think it is important because it teaches the stack in the most detail. It really covers the built in features of the stack and shows you how many different ways you can use the stack.

I also recommend Try the Impossible for the number of effects available. It has more effects than any of Simon's other books and teaches the Undo Principal.

Once you get through those two books and are comfortable with the stack, pick up Mnemonica by Juan Tamariz. It has many effects (at least 1/2 the book) that can be done with any cylical stack.

Good luck. Learning the stack is easier than you would think. No different than learning any sleight any way. You can practice without the deck, so any time you are so inclined (driving, in line at the supermarket, bored at work/school, etc.) you can be practicing.

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Hi, would like to ask a question.

I use Tamariz's stack and currently have Mnemonica, if I want to go to Aronson's works on the Memorised deck (using Tamariz's), what are the sources that I could start off with?
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In Try The Impossible book there are lot of Aronson Stack based trick, but just very few that is stack independent.

Jlowhy: Almost all the tricks in Aronson's DVD vol 3 are stack independent, so you can use Tamariz's. Those are killer material
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I'd recommend Try the Impossible first, since there is some GREAT material that doesn't require memorization. It requires the stack, but not a memorized stack. It's got Two Beginnings and The Invisible Card, two excellent effects that qualify as 'beginner' routines. This will get you working with the stack quickly.

Bound to Please, however, is the best source of material to really dig into the stack -- containing thoughts behind the stack as well as routines and ideas about routines.

I have Mnemonica as well, but to be blunt it's quite overwhelming. (Its comprehensiveness is both its curse and blessing. Plus, it has a LOT of discussion about using faros, which is too advanced for me.)

Volume Three of his DVD series is also an excelent source, containing the cited routines from Try the Impossible as well as lots of other stuff.

I assume you've visited Simon Aronson's website? It contains the best introduction to memorized deck magic (in fact, this essay is what convinced me to try memdeck work) as well as some additional tricks.
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Mrehula, yes I have gone to Simon's website. I have downloaded his "Memories are Made of This". This is where I started.
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To mrehula,
I apologize if I misunderstood your post, but you seem to say that "Two Beginnings" does not require a memorized stack. Sorry, but it does. It however, introduces an extremely powerful tool to mem-deck workers: the ability to force any card at any time without apparently ever looking at the faces of the cards. I started using a mem-deck for that before Simon's book "Try the Impossible" came out. I had not hit upon the great "Two Beginnings" effect of having a second spectator choose a card that the first spectator named. And, I was not using the under the spread cull technique for the force. Basically, I was doing an estimated cut, glimpsing the bottom card, and doing the necessary adjustment to bring the card I needed to force to the bottom. From there, I'd cut the deck and hold a break and do a a Riffle Force. The spread cull force is possibly more deceptive. You can also do a cross cut force once the card is on the bottom (or top) of the deck. There are many wonderful dealer's effects which require a force. The heat sensitive wire which bends itself into the shape of a chosen card, Max Maven's Infantastic, and so many others. It's so much better if you don't have to look through the faces of the cards to find the force card.

The Tamariz writing style is very different from Simon Aronsons, which may be why you find Mnemonica "overwhelming." Simon is a superb technical writer and goes into great detail to help the reader understand the underlying principles, not just the mechanics of "how to do it." I personally find this very helpful as I have an easier time remembering things that I understand. Tamariz does not tell you "every little thing." He assumes quite a bit of background on the part of the reader and leaves you to figure some things out. Still, it's just chock full of amazing things and I seem to discover something new every time I go back to it. Certainly professionals that work with a mem-deck will be well advised to have it, and ALL of Simon's books in their library.

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Check out his lecture notes entitled... "Memories are made of this" they are available on his website as a FREE PDF. This is a good intro to mem-deck work.
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