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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1302 Posts 
Oh About Houdini ...There was a series of letters in the 1920's in which his routine is mentioned. The letters were in the possesion of a friend of mine named Ted Corothers. Ted passed away several years ago and the letters were part of his back room of his shop so when it was taken over It went with the shop. I do not know who is in the possesion of those letters at this time there were about 150 or more hand written letters in a nice binder that Ted was trying to get to some museum before he died.
When Ted honored me with showing them to me he knew of my facination with the cups and balls and specificly pointed that part of these letters in the middle of the binder he showed me. Hopefully the letters found a good home and are still intact. Later, Mobius 

Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24264 Posts 
You might want to check with Steven Sparks, Kevin Connolly and/or Arthur Moses to see if they know anything about such a book. I would really like to know what Houdini did with the cups and balls.
Re: The solid cup routine  I'm not sure which came first, the can or the solid cone that Gary Wolfsberger manufactured. The cone dates back to 1974. Shigeo Tagaki had two different solid cup routines that were marketed by Jeff Busby.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com 

Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27106 Posts 
Me? I've performed the Vernon, Ramsay and Roth cups, papercups and chop cup routines.
I have a few sleights but no major routine to claim.
...to all the coins I've dropped here


lint Special user Concord, CA 959 Posts 
I too would like to know more about Houdini's work with the cups todd
also..Bob Farmer has a nice routine called Cyclops. 3 cups, one ball.
"There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip..." English Proverb


Richard Evans Inner circle 1377 Posts 
We've forgotten to include two major names:
Ross Bertram  3 cups J.N. Hofzinser  2 cups & a hat (routine reprinted by Karl Fulves in '69)
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three. Elayne Boosler


Danny Diamond Inner circle Connecticut 1400 Posts 
Two more whose routines I have seen in person and enjoyed...
Eric DeCamps...3 cups John George...3 cups
You don't drown by falling in the water;
you drown by staying there.  Edwin Louis Cole 

Otterman4444 New user 1 Post 
Mark Wilson's ... 3 Cups


JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11208 Posts 
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On 20070607 23:22, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Jonathan, does it mean that you are having, basiclly the 1 cup and 3 cups routine? Would like to include you in the list. 

JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11208 Posts 
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On 20070607 18:33, lint wrote: Todd, entry # 48 on Houdini  3 cups is basically listed down based on inputs from this thread. But I am also looking for supporting documents for all the names listed. Thanks for highlighting. 

JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11208 Posts 
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On 20070607 19:08, Richard Evans wrote: Richard, thanks for highlighting entry # 38  will ammend on the latest updates. And thanks for the inputs too. 

JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11208 Posts 
Latest and ammended updated list ...
1) Dai Vernon's routine  3 cups 2) Tommy Wonder's routine  2 cups 3) Scotty York's routine  3 cups 4) Michael Ammar's routine  3 cups 5) Aldo Colombini's routine  3 cups 6) Paul Gertner  3 cups 7) Carl Andrews  2 cups 8) Gazzo  3 cups + 1 hat 9) Charlie Miller  3 cups 10) Jason Latimer  3 cups 11) David Williamson  2 cups 12) Al Schneider's Street Cups  3 cups 13) Al Schneider's Classic Cups  3 cups 14) Gary Ouellet  2 cups 15) Dennis Loomis  3 cups 16) David Regal  6 cups 17) Rene lavand  1 cup 18) Frank Garcia  3 cups 19) Dai Vernon  1 cup routine with Dollar Bills 20) Larry Jennings  3 cups and 1 cup routines 21) John Carney  3 cups and 1 cup routine 22) Robert White  3 cups 23) John Mendoza  3 cups routine 24) Charlie Miller  3 cups and Indian Cups and balls 25) Pete Biro  3 cups and 1 cup routine 26) Johnny Thompson  3 cups routine 27) Mike Rogers  3 cup routine 28) Jos Bema (Tommy Wonder)  Solid Can routine 29) Fred Kaps  3 cups 30) Jim Cellini  3 cups 31) John Mendoza  3 cups 32) Johnny Paul  3 cups 33) Rafael Benatar  3 cups 34) Alex Emsley  3 cups 35) Dan Fleshman  3 cups 36) Ken Brooke  3 cups 37) Scott F. Guinn  2 cups 38) John Ramsey  2 Ice cream containers (ammended) 39) Penn and Teller  3 Cups 4 hands 40) Laurie Ireland  3 cups 41) Joe Berg  3 cups 42) Milton Kort  2 & 3 cups 43) John Platt  3 cups and Indian cups 44) Manuel Muerte  3 cups 45) Tom Mullica  3 cups 46) Guyot  3 cups 47) Flicking Fingers  3 cups 48) Houdini  3 cups 49) Mark Wilson  3 Cups 50) Eric DeCamps  3 cups 51) John George  3 cups 52) Ross Bertram  3 cups 53) J.N. Hofzinser  2 cups & a hat 54) Bob Farmer  3 cups and one ball 55) Jay Sankey  3 cups with a 4th cup produced as part of the finale 56) Andy Comic  3 cups 57) Gary Kurtz  3 cups 58) John Bannon  3 cups 59) Steve Draun  3 cups 60) Ed Marlo  3 cups 61) Abraham Bongers  3 cups 62) Manuel Muerte  1 cup 63) Jim Ryan  3 cups 64) Charles Bertram  3 cups 65) Burtini  3 cups 66) Eddie Joseph  3 cups (usually) 67) Ozanam  3 cups 68) Tim Ellis  2 cups and a juke box 69) Paul Daniels  1 cup 70) Lewis Ganson  3 cups 71) Max Malini  3 cups 72) Bill Palmer  1 cup (most of the time) 

JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11208 Posts 
How long do you think this list would go?
Any more inputs? Thanks everyone for this exciting participation. I find it really beneficial. 

Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24264 Posts 
Just a couple of pieces of information. The Paul Harris routine with the can was, indeed, based upon the solid cone, which is credited to Lawrence Steinmeyer in Paul's book. However, it was Wolfsberger who marketed and promoted it. I am not sure who did what with the solid cone.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com 

JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11208 Posts 
Bill, which Paul Harris book is this routine in?


Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24264 Posts 
It's in Las Vegas Close Up and Art of Astonishment 1. It is called "Uncanny."
Here are a couple of other names to add to the list RobertHoudin  3 cup routine Professor Hoffmann  3 cup routine
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com 

Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27106 Posts 
James, I learned the Vernon routine with three cups, Ramsay's using two, Roth's chop cup routine from his lecture and also something with an egg cup which is Geoff Latta's and unpublished as far as I know. I'd like to learn what Hofzinser was doing and when I can get the props also work on something with a bowl and some small stones. But through all that I can only claim to have invented a few sleights which found places in those routines, and so have nothing to claim as my own as far as routines go.
So I don't need to be on your list at all. (for now)
...to all the coins I've dropped here


Terry Holley Inner circle 1794 Posts 
I don't believe Jack Bateman's 3 cup "RubADubDub" routine has been mentioned yet on this thread.
Terry
Coauthor with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."


Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27106 Posts 
There's an Ian Adair routine using flower pots and "seeds" in one of his books.
...to all the coins I've dropped here


Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24264 Posts 
The Hofzinser routine is in Dick Hatch's translation, as well as in a Karl Fulves publication.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com 

Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6583 Posts 
Dick Williams has a 3 cup routine with an audience member for stage.
"Love God, laugh more, spend more time with the ones you love, play with children, do good to those in need, and eat more ice cream. There is more to life than magic tricks."  Scott F. Guinn
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