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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11209 Posts 
Wow that is a lot of input. Thanks everyone.


JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11209 Posts 
More updates on the list ...
1) Dai Vernon's routine  3 cups 2) Tommy Wonder's routine  2 cups 3) Scotty York's routine  3 cups 4) Michael Ammar's routine  3 cups 5) Aldo Colombini's routine  3 cups 6) Paul Gertner  3 cups 7) Carl Andrews  2 cups 8) Gazzo  3 cups + 1 hat 9) Charlie Miller  3 cups 10) Jason Latimer  3 cups 11) David Williamson  2 cups 12) Al Schneider's Street Cups  3 cups 13) Al Schneider's Classic Cups  3 cups 14) Gary Ouellet  2 cups 15) Dennis Loomis  3 cups 16) David Regal  6 cups 17) Rene lavand  1 cup 18) Frank Garcia  3 cups 19) Dai Vernon  1 cup routine with Dollar Bills 20) Larry Jennings  3 cups and 1 cup routines 21) John Carney  3 cups and 1 cup routine 22) Robert White  3 cups 23) John Mendoza  3 cups routine 24) Charlie Miller  3 cups and Indian Cups and balls 25) Pete Biro  3 cups and 1 cup routine 26) Johnny Thompson  3 cups routine 27) Mike Rogers  3 cup routine 28) Jos Bema (Tommy Wonder)  Solid Can routine 29) Fred Caps  3 cups 30) Jim Cellini  3 cups 31) John Mendoza  3 cups 

JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11209 Posts 
May I know how many cups these greats uses in their routines?
John Ramsay Johnny Paul Alex Elmsley Jim Ryan Laurie Ireland Charles Burton Ken Brooke Joe Berg Milton Kort Rafael Benatar Burtini John Platt Manuel Muerte Tom Mullica Dan Fleshman Eddie Joseph 

walid ahumada Special user sinaloa, mexico 892 Posts 
Johnny paul 3 cups
rafael benatar 3 cups
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Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6584 Posts 
I have a 2 cup routine.
Elmsley, Fleshman, Brooke, Johnny Paul are 3 cups.
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11209 Posts 
Thanks, walid ahumada and Scott F. Guinn for your input.
More updates ... 1) Dai Vernon's routine  3 cups 2) Tommy Wonder's routine  2 cups 3) Scotty York's routine  3 cups 4) Michael Ammar's routine  3 cups 5) Aldo Colombini's routine  3 cups 6) Paul Gertner  3 cups 7) Carl Andrews  2 cups 8) Gazzo  3 cups + 1 hat 9) Charlie Miller  3 cups 10) Jason Latimer  3 cups 11) David Williamson  2 cups 12) Al Schneider's Street Cups  3 cups 13) Al Schneider's Classic Cups  3 cups 14) Gary Ouellet  2 cups 15) Dennis Loomis  3 cups 16) David Regal  6 cups 17) Rene lavand  1 cup 18) Frank Garcia  3 cups 19) Dai Vernon  1 cup routine with Dollar Bills 20) Larry Jennings  3 cups and 1 cup routines 21) John Carney  3 cups and 1 cup routine 22) Robert White  3 cups 23) John Mendoza  3 cups routine 24) Charlie Miller  3 cups and Indian Cups and balls 25) Pete Biro  3 cups and 1 cup routine 26) Johnny Thompson  3 cups routine 27) Mike Rogers  3 cup routine 28) Jos Bema (Tommy Wonder)  Solid Can routine 29) Fred Caps  3 cups 30) Jim Cellini  3 cups 31) John Mendoza  3 cups 32) Johnny Paul  3 cups 33) Rafael Benatar  3 cups 34) Alex Emsley  3 cups 35) Dan Fleshman  3 cups 36) Ken Brooke  3 cups 37) Scott F. Guinn  2 cups 

JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11209 Posts 
How about ...
John Ramsay Jim Ryan Laurie Ireland Charles Burton Joe Berg Milton Kort Burtini John Platt Manuel Muerte Tom Mullica Eddie Joseph Guyot Ozanam How many cups do they use? 

Payne Inner circle Seattle 4572 Posts 
Penn and Teller 3 Cups 4 hands
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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1302 Posts 
Laurie Ireland  3 cups
Joe Berg  3 cups Kort  2 cups and 3 cups routines Platt  3 cups and indian cups Muerte  3 cups Mullica  3 cup routine Guyot  3 cups Flicking Fingers  2 cups John Ramsey  3 cups and 3 Ice Cream Containers Houdini  3 cups 

JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11209 Posts 
Thanks, Payne and Mobius. Your input is greatly appreciated.
Here's the updated list again ... 1) Dai Vernon's routine  3 cups 2) Tommy Wonder's routine  2 cups 3) Scotty York's routine  3 cups 4) Michael Ammar's routine  3 cups 5) Aldo Colombini's routine  3 cups 6) Paul Gertner  3 cups 7) Carl Andrews  2 cups 8) Gazzo  3 cups + 1 hat 9) Charlie Miller  3 cups 10) Jason Latimer  3 cups 11) David Williamson  2 cups 12) Al Schneider's Street Cups  3 cups 13) Al Schneider's Classic Cups  3 cups 14) Gary Ouellet  2 cups 15) Dennis Loomis  3 cups 16) David Regal  6 cups 17) Rene lavand  1 cup 18) Frank Garcia  3 cups 19) Dai Vernon  1 cup routine with Dollar Bills 20) Larry Jennings  3 cups and 1 cup routines 21) John Carney  3 cups and 1 cup routine 22) Robert White  3 cups 23) John Mendoza  3 cups routine 24) Charlie Miller  3 cups and Indian Cups and balls 25) Pete Biro  3 cups and 1 cup routine 26) Johnny Thompson  3 cups routine 27) Mike Rogers  3 cup routine 28) Jos Bema (Tommy Wonder)  Solid Can routine 29) Fred Kaps  3 cups 30) Jim Cellini  3 cups 31) John Mendoza  3 cups 32) Johnny Paul  3 cups 33) Rafael Benatar  3 cups 34) Alex Emsley  3 cups 35) Dan Fleshman  3 cups 36) Ken Brooke  3 cups 37) Scott F. Guinn  2 cups 38) John Ramsey  3 cups & 3 Ice cream containers 39) Penn and Teller  3 Cups 4 hands 40) Laurie Ireland  3 cups 41) Joe Berg  3 cups 42) Milton Kort  2 & 3 cups 43) John Platt  3 cups and Indian cups 44) Manuel Muerte  3 cups 45) Tom Mullica  3 cups 46) Guyot  3 cups 47) Flicking Fingers  3 cups 48) Houdini  3 cups 

JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11209 Posts 
That leaves ...
Jim Ryan Charles Burton Burtini Eddie Joseph Ozanam Any one knows how many cups they used in their routine? A few more names came to my mind ... Tim Ellis Paul Daniels Albert Goshman Lewis Ganson Max Malini Bill Palmer Jonathan Townsend Any other names we can add to the list? How about cups and balls worker from other countries? Any ideas? Thanks for the participation. I believe the list would be very helpful to many people. 

Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24273 Posts 
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On 20070607 17:05, JamesTong wrote: Jim Ryan  three cups Charles Bertram  three cups Burtini  three cups Eddie Joseph  three cups (usually) Ozanam  three cups Tim Ellis  two cups and a juke box Paul Daniels  one cup Albert Goshman  don't know Lewis Ganson  probably three cups Max Malini  three cups Bill Palmer  one cup (most of the time) Jonathan Townsend  ?
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lint Special user Concord, CA 959 Posts 
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On 20070607 16:58, JamesTong wrote: Any supporting info on this entry? As a man working on a similar goal any info would be appreciated. todd
"There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip..." English Proverb


Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24273 Posts 
Abraham Bongers also had a three cup routine.
Manuel Muerte  one cup.
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Richard Evans Inner circle 1377 Posts 
James
Sorry, I was a bit slow replying to my suggestions  but it looks like the guys have filled in all the gaps. There's an error in #38: John Ramsay's famous routine was with just 2 ice cream cups. He also published a onecup routine using an 'Indian' cup. A few more: Gary Kurtz  3 cups John Bannon  3 cups Steve Draun  3 cups Ed Marlo  3 cups
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Glenn Godsey Special user 737 Posts 
We should add Andy Comic...very entertaining routine with elements of both twoball and threeball handling.
Best regards, Glenn Godsey 

ChristopherM Special user UK 844 Posts 
Does the 3 cup routine published in Mark Wilson's book count?
I see Jos Berna's Solid Can routine is listed; in this case, let's also include the similar solid can routines published by Paul Harris and Michael Ammar. I believe Jay Sankey also had a C&B routine published in Sankey Pankey; haven't read it so don't know how many cups it involved, sorry. Peter Wardell teaches a street cups routine  with, of course, similarity to Gazzo's, on DVD. David Regal also has a one cup routine in print. Cheers. 

Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24273 Posts 
That's Bema, not Berma. Jos Bema is Jos Bemelman, AKA Tommy Wonder.
It would be good to track down who originated the solid can routine, because they are all actually fairly similar, except for Lonnie Chevrie's, in which the ball used ends up inside the can.
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ChristopherM Special user UK 844 Posts 
*sorry about that, Bill. Knew it was TW's name, but didn't know it was short for Bemelman. Good to know, thanks.
I read that the solid can routine was a PH idea, somewhere. Not 100%, though. 

lint Special user Concord, CA 959 Posts 
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On 20070607 19:43, ChristopherM wrote: It should it is a great little routine. the first one I learned. Also, anyone looking to simply (yet accurately) talk about cups history in their routine should read Mr. Wilsons intro to the cups & balls. it is historically accurate and well written. Quote:
I believe Jay Sankey also had a C&B routine published in Sankey Pankey; haven't read it so don't know how many cups it involved, sorry. this is a 3 cup routine with a 4th cup produced as part of the finale. todd
"There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip..." English Proverb


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