The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Ebooks, PDF's or Downloads » » The Barfly Billet (0 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3~4~5 [Next]
peculiarone
View Profile
Loyal user
Fence almost done. I've already put in
296 Posts

Profile of peculiarone
JW, very well put.
Woodfield
View Profile
Special user
728 Posts

Profile of Woodfield
Has anybody had problems opening the attachment with the addendum that John sent?
I open the attachment, and its another forwarded message to another e-mail address, with an attachment. When I open that attachment I get the same thing.
Am I not doing something right?
Woodfield
AlienMind
View Profile
Regular user
Italy
131 Posts

Profile of AlienMind
Quote:
On 2007-06-23 10:34, Woodfield wrote:
Has anybody had problems opening the attachment with the addendum that John sent?
I open the attachment, and its another forwarded message to another e-mail address, with an attachment. When I open that attachment I get the same thing.
Am I not doing something right?
Woodfield

1) Open the email that you have you received
2) Open the attached one to this email
3) Open the attached one of the attached email
4) You will find your e-book
I hope this can help you,
Pier
JohnWells
View Profile
Inner circle
The Southern Wild
1791 Posts

Profile of JohnWells
Hello. I have been allerted to the email problems. If you are having difficulties opening the file, just reply to your email and I'll send another. Please accept my deepest apologies for the delay. JW
Woodfield
View Profile
Special user
728 Posts

Profile of Woodfield
JW,
I got it.
Thanks for the prompt response.

My first thought about the billet tear was,"Why do I need a CT with an index card?" But the more I thought about it, the more I could see a need for it.
It's nice to work with larger print under less than ideal lighting conditions.
Plus, it's perfect for Banacheks PK Writing effect from his first DVD.
I like it a lot.
-Woodfield
JohnWells
View Profile
Inner circle
The Southern Wild
1791 Posts

Profile of JohnWells
Woodfield, many thanks. I use a lot of index cards, for my psychometry routine, in my q and a, in doing close up readings, so it was logical to use them for my billet work as well.
JohnWells
View Profile
Inner circle
The Southern Wild
1791 Posts

Profile of JohnWells
Hello. Within three days, I will be releasing a short manuscript devoted to card magic (tnot a part of the three manuscripts devoted to mentalism) called "Devilishly Transcendent and other card tricks from behind the bar". There are four complete effects,a handling of a classic ace trick,a couple of new sleights, and a few ideas for card workers. It will go for about $7 on lulu.com. I'll post a notice here when it's available. Jno. Wells
Nicholas
View Profile
Special user
I predict that I now have
900 Posts

Profile of Nicholas
John,
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I think this is brilliant and am definately going to use this. I am not aware of a more natural peek. And, I can finally do a CT using something a perfectly reasonable paper product...index cards. I have been a huge fan of the Osterlind CT and will still use it. But, the Barfly has the advantage of allowing multiple billets to be in play, simultaneously, without compromising the ease of getting the peek (although still possible with the Osterlind CT). The routine included with Barfly is also top notch. I totally agree with others, above, that this is more than worth the price. Thanks, again!
Nicholas
JohnWells
View Profile
Inner circle
The Southern Wild
1791 Posts

Profile of JohnWells
Many thanks for the kind words. It has served me well.
fib
View Profile
Inner circle
1535 Posts

Profile of fib
The Barfly Billet Test author clearly distinguishes himself as a top-notch thinker about mentalism.-- not just another center tear author. His stuff is great...the mechanics of the tear, the decription of the author's favorite routine with it, and the psychology behind the sequencing of the tear and the sequencing of the routine. Everything fits into place for maximum effect..from equiv. to other methods...one after another. The author is an ARCHITECT who knows what he is building. He has gotten me thinking, thank God.

One matter I am NOT satisfied with is WHEN to peek. People are scrutinizing your gaze ALL THE TIME. If not, you MUST assume they are and prepare to avoid it. So what is the best deception for gaining a glimpse? My preference has always been either incredibly strong misdirection created by, say revealing something else -- which floors them -- or keeping the center and delaying the read. But I AM NOT happy with any of that, either.

The other matter I wanted to take up was broader: his mention of an Anneman work as a great source for routining. Whoah. Routining. So: not just one demonstration of ESP, but a whole slew of them. But how to avoid redundancy, boredom, how to build to a climax?

Is the structuring of methods -- from weakest to most powerful -- the solid basis of a good routine? I'm sure most of you have thought about that -- and that I've read about mentalism routining somewhere before, but I MYSELF have never sat down and created a routine. I always assumed it'd lead to overkill. But I was also lazy. I didn't know how to do it.

As the author suggests, can the answer lie -- in general, now -- in starting with the weakest yet credible techniques, moving to an intermediate stage, and finally ending with the most powerful technique as the skeleton for a broad demonstration of mentalism. In the end, a seemingly spontaneous series of examples of mentalism is actually developed from the ground up by the performer through his techniques.

For example, you start with a psychological force to test their intuition...then move onto an equiv. to test that again or something else, then a pen tip mark, then center tear, then billets, then impression -- and finally to nothing written down at all because you're finally way ahead.
["Let's try this....Have you heard of psychometry?.. it's possible to sometimes...." or..."...sometimes it's possible to just guess correctly....especially if you've known someone for a long time...." to.."...we can try to duplicate thought transmittal -- though I can't guarantee it because of all the distractions...... Perhaps with a simple drawing..."]

Is this ASCENDANCY-OF-TECHNIQUE approach a viable basis for structuring an entertaining, multi-phase routine? Does it PROVE anything to them? Can it protect you from someone's attempt to reverse engineer? At the risk of repeating what many of you may have already shared, these are my thoughts.

thanks, fib
JohnWells
View Profile
Inner circle
The Southern Wild
1791 Posts

Profile of JohnWells
Hello Fib, Thank you for the kind words. As to your questions, they are good quetions. In my experience, these are answers each performer must find for himself through the performance process. Bob Cassidy has said some of the best things to be said on these matters in his early work, especially the Principia Mentalia.
fib
View Profile
Inner circle
1535 Posts

Profile of fib
Can you please share YOUR real-time peek method? I know Cassidy's and others -- and have not felt comfortable. That's why I delay a glimpse. I think just saying "take a peek" leaves out a key part of the performance. Please add.
thanks, fib
JohnWells
View Profile
Inner circle
The Southern Wild
1791 Posts

Profile of JohnWells
As a matter of habit, I will set up the peek as detailed in the manuscript and make a gesture, bringing the billet into my line of sight. Of course, just as frequently, I just peek during the tear. The situation is quite different from that of a peek like acidus novus where youe are doing something while appearing to do nothing. Here, the peek is part of a natural series of actions which do in fact accomplish the thing it appears to, to wit, ripping up the paper, unlike a coin vanish, where you do precisely the opposite of what you appear to. Put simply, you think to much. You are really tearing up the paper, so tear up the paper. It cannot look like a studied action,(which is not to say it cannot be neat and methodical. being mildly obsessive compulsive, I always tear up paper I am throwing away and I always tear it into neat little pieces, very slowly and precisely.) and the way to get that naturallness is not to worry about it. Your tension, even internal tension, will direct the attention of your audience without fail. Simply treat the procedure as what it is, tearing up a piece of paper, a process where it's pefectly natural to glance at the paper. I will also note that there must be a motivated reason to destroy the paper. In the baRFly billet test, that piece of paper is no longer inportant because it is not the dead name the spectator is trying to locate psychically. Treat the card like trash and your audience will as well. Psychological invisibility begins in your mind.
fib
View Profile
Inner circle
1535 Posts

Profile of fib
Thank you. You have extended your comments to include something really important to me. I do NOT -- as you say -- think too much. I think about the perfect way to do something. And when I observe flaws even in the work of someone like Osterlind -- his center tear peek in one DVD performance, for instance, is painfully obvious -- I want to avoid as many mistakes as I can and learn from pros like you.
Best, fib
JohnWells
View Profile
Inner circle
The Southern Wild
1791 Posts

Profile of JohnWells
When I say you think too much that is precisely what I refer to. If you wait for perfection you will never actually get out into the world and perform. I am not advocating shoddiness by any means, your technique, like that of any artist, should be fully developed, but even Horowitz played wrong notes.
fib
View Profile
Inner circle
1535 Posts

Profile of fib
Basil or Vladimir.

I'm doing mentalism, thank you..walkaround, professionally -- a second career in addition to journalism, which is one reason I can appreciate the clarity of your writing. Anyway, I'm always trying to improve as a performer. That's why I bought your product. That's why I'm on this site.
fib
Steve Hook
View Profile
Inner circle
Raleigh, NC, USA
1260 Posts

Profile of Steve Hook
John and fib:

Excellent posts from both of you on this timing issue!

Suggestion: There might be a broader audience and widened discussion of this query if it was posted in the Inner Thoughts section vs. the review section, where it might be missed.

Steve H
Like Bonnie Raitt said, "I miss Little Feat more than I miss being 8 years old." Long live Lowell and Richie!
fib
View Profile
Inner circle
1535 Posts

Profile of fib
Thanks for your comments, Mr. H. I guess it's up to the Wizards in charge of this Café Oz.
best,fib
JohnWells
View Profile
Inner circle
The Southern Wild
1791 Posts

Profile of JohnWells
Firstly, let me apologise if my terseness came across as antagonism, in no wise my intention. I did not intend my "think too much" statement to be a negative criticism. Second, It could be that we are dealing with a slightly different understanding of the same question. Your initial question, regarding my real time peek, could perhaps be better answered this way. I don't know. From my training as an exegete (early Christian literature), the great maxim of the interpreter comes into play. "Context is everything." I could quote the Delphian Oracle, "Know Thyself", and every (good) comedian who has ever lived "know your audience".
I also realize that those answers oare probably of very little help. Three practical suggestions: 1. Learn your own gestures and body language; use them to cover your moves. What Allen Zingg would call acting naturally. I talk with my hands, very broadly. I could put together a bomb under the cover of my body language, but if you are more sedate, let your subtlety be the means to disarm observers. 2. Remember Malini's words on misdirection: if they are weatching you, wait. how long? a week. Festina Lente. I will state again, tension creates attention. Your internal attitude has as much impact on your ability to direct your audiences attention as nearly any other factor. 3. As a rule, bring the billet to the eyes, not the eyes to the billet.

I feel like I'm repeating myself a bit, but that's ok; clarity above all else. I hope this helps. JW
JohnWells
View Profile
Inner circle
The Southern Wild
1791 Posts

Profile of JohnWells
Quote:
On 2007-08-05 11:01, Steve Hook wrote:
John and fib:

Excellent posts from both of you on this timing issue!

Suggestion: There might be a broader audience and widened discussion of this query if it was posted in the Inner Thoughts section vs. the review section, where it might be missed.

Steve H


I agree. In fact, Tom Jorgenson has started a thread in Inner Thoughts, but I do not have access to it so I have no idea what progress is there.
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Ebooks, PDF's or Downloads » » The Barfly Billet (0 Likes)
 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3~4~5 [Next]
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2019 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.16 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL