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On 2007-06-28 01:03, balducci wrote:
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On 2007-06-27 20:37, Doug Higley wrote:
Haha. I give them a good Canadian Beer and point.

Do you get any of the good premium Canadian beer down there?



not a lot...

I could use a 7.3 right about now...
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The original source that feeds the environmentalists comes from Climatologists: people who went to school and became climate scientists. Did the environmentalists jump on the revelations? Of course they did. These scientists and their findings continue to be vilified by corporate funded "think tanks" (Heritage Foundation, etc.) and right wing talking head "pundits".

And what payola feeds the anti-global warming think tanks? Those corporations that stand to lose money if carbon dioxide controls are put in place. Also, power companies are going to lose money if laws are passed that force manufactures to make devices such as refrigerators more energy-efficient. If cars become more gas-efficient the petrochemical companies stand to lose profits (look at the windfall profits they cleared from the ongoing gas shortage).

This isn't a "conspiracy", it's simply people looking out for their own interests.

So who am I going to believe, scientists (whose findings now NASA, the American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, the National Academy of Sciences, and many others agree with), or the "Global Warming Controversy" generated by think tank non-scientist pundits bankrolled by power companies? I think I will stick with the scientists.

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Douglas, folks,

I would like you to have a good listen to Al Gore's language in "An Inconvenient Truth" and then open up the discussion to what sort of attitude this message is encouraging and what that might mean to us.

Second, my boss at work said something which got me thinking about a manufacturing question and I am seeking some help. Do you know anyone in the business of making paper bags. Seriously. There is something I'd like to explore that may have positive impact on part of how we affect the environment. Let's take that to my email at yahoo, okay? (j0ntown@yahoo.com)

Thanks

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Does smoke from forest fires add to global warming? I'm wondering because we just had a huge fire above Lake Tahoe and one of the biggest problems was that the environmentalist filed suits that resulted in people not being able to chop down brush near their houses or reducing fire hazards by using acceptable means that don't destroy the environment. The excuse used was if all brush and growth was destroyed by the evil humanoids, which wasn't any ones intention, then dirty icky water could, during snow run off or rain, run down the hill, cross a canyon, climb over another hill, then rush a couple miles into Lake Tahoe. So we have this little fire, destroyes a few thousand acres of forest and over 250 homes, which by the way the enviromental groups don't want the burned trees removed nor to have new trees planted or grasses put down to avoid the ash and mud to run off, over the hill and across the canyon, into Lake Tahoe, because in 10,000 years mother nature will reclaim the area and we don't want to help her out. Matter of fact is these tree huggers don't want wild fires put out, the heck with the animals and plants and water supply. So again, did the smoke from the burning forest hurt or help in global warming or did only the smoke from the burning humanoid houses add to global warming while the purifying smoke from the forest fire help to reduce radiation or something? I'm so confused.
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Jonathan: You are right to question Gore's rhetoric. Note, though that Gore's use or abuse of language is independent of climate science.

Santa: I don't see why forest fires wouldn't contribute to global warming. They certainly are a contributor to a number of environmental problems, including acid rain.

It's hard to imagine legislators so short-sighted to forbid all brush clearance. It is well established that areas that haven't been cleared out (by previous fires or other means) burn hotter and longer than those that have been. National parks in both the US and Canada have been using "controlled burn" techniques for years, at least in part to prevent the sort of scenario you describe.

There is a lot to say about letting fires burn themselves out, provided that other damage (e.g. human habitation) is minimal.

Of course, it hardly needs saying that there is much disagreement amongst environmentalists on issues such as these.

Greenly,

John
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There is so much crap wrapped up and around this whole issue, rather than rant anymore I think The Police said it best, over 20 years ago...
"De do do do de da da da is all I want to say to you"

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Exactly John, I was suggesting we discuss the rhetoric about a "moral" issue and the way this issue is presented.

Still no help on the paper bag thing. Smile
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California side was burning, what can I tell ya. The burned out families were brought to Carson City Nevada (about half an hour from Tahoe) and the guy who runs the organization that forbids clearing brush was there and the cops had to escort him out for his own safety! Do you think if he had been caught and lit on fire it would have hurt the environment? Jonathan, I use to deal with a packaging company that also made bags, what'cha looking for? I can see if I can get his contact info (the sales rep) if you want to know how they do it or anything.
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I was in Europe earlier this summer, and based on some of my travel experiences I've formed the opinion that the average person over there is more sincerely concerned about GW than people in the States are.

I think the reason is that they (at least believe they) see more evidence of GW in their day to day lives than people in the States do.

They have lakes drying out, reduced snowfalls in winters, glaciers / icefields vanishing, year after year of killer heat waves. So far as I am aware, the States has really not experienced alleged GW consequences to the same degree as in Europe. Hence the much greater skepticism in the States. (Of course, that's just one reason of many.)
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I agree with you. I am praying that the dust bowl that is England gets more rain, they are drier than a bone left in the desert after years, drier than my wifes sense of humor, drier than a bag of marbles left in the sun in Phoenix, dang you George Bush! YOU CAUSED ALL OF THIS GLOBAL WARMING YOURSELF YOU #@)#@$*#@! I'm so ashamed....what countries out there are looking for immigrants and provide complete services to them as well as loans etc at extra low interest? Also I want a country where if English isn't their official language that they will make forms and documents in English available at no cost and I want my kids to be able to have special teachers to teach them in English too. Libraries, I want books in English available to me at libraries. Thanks!
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I assume he was up past his bedtime, sleepy and confused.
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"Does smoke from forest fires contribute to global warming?"

Vegetation is like a carbon sponge. Forest fires contribute to a carbon build up in a couple of ways. The obvious one is smoke and the secondary affect is from the loss of so many trees at once; which no longer convert carbon to oxygen. The good news is that new growth forest are better at making oxygen than old growth, but, this takes a couple of growth cycles. The best thing we can do after any deforestation is get out there and help the forest along by replanting (especially with our current carbon output).
Also, all of that moisture in the plants had to go somewhere, it doesn't just disappear when a tree burns. It is drawn up into the troposphere as steam; this helps build up our number one green house gas H2O. A build up of clouds, whatever the contributer, will lead to cooling.
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Still working on the home.work at the shop picked up since its cooler out ,and we got some much needed rain .the warming isn't all that bad as we see it here,
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