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I was on Lewis one August. It was drizzling and the temperature was 5 degrees Celsius. That's summer on the Western Isles for you!
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There are two Seasons in Scotland, July and Winter!
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In Texas, we have January and Summer.
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On 2007-08-07 16:30, Bill Palmer wrote:
In Texas, we have January and Summer.


You remind me of Hank Hill sometimes Bill Smile

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Mind you, if you don't like the weather in the Scottish Borders, wait 10 minutes, it'll change.
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It's not as though we typically get blazing hot summers, but at least the rain is usually warm.
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Richard, ever been to Anglesey?

The rain there is warm but horizontal!
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On 2007-08-08 08:24, Tom Fenton wrote:
Richard, ever been to Anglesey?

The rain there is warm but horizontal!


We had an infamous holiday in North Wales when we were kids. Middle of August - rained the whole time (yup - it was horizonal). It's the only time we left a holiday early and came home! Happy days!
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In the back of a filing cabinet I just found 2 sets of the Johnny Paul Cups. First two to respond with offer of $200 (free shipping in continental USA) gets them. Respond to petebiro@aol.com (Paypal preferred). These are the original run and in heavy brass.

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Yep. The early bird gets the worm. The second mouse gets the cheese.
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Son of a...

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Small tubs of ice cream are commonly available in the UK. It's these small tubs that Ramsay would have used.


If you have a chance, would you take a few pictures of what's available there?


I got a chance to get some tubs of ice cream. With the tips provided by Bill and Mobius I got to work with a couple of cans of spray paint (the hot water bath worked beautifully - it made a huge difference - thanks both).

Here's the ice cream tub I was talking about. It's not as squat as the one illustrated in the Farelli book, but is identical to the type used by Andrew Galloway (as illustrated in the Ramsay Classics and on Andy's DVDs).
Joe's Ice Cream

Before and after:
Unpainted and painted

To give a sense of scale. Regular Paul Fox cup (left), painted ice cream tub (centre) and one of Jim Riser's Ramsay cups (right)
Fox vs ice cream vs Riser

Painted ice cream tubs (left) and Riser cups (right). As you'd expect, Jim got the dimensions pretty much spot-on.
Ice cream tubs & Riser aluminium

The complete Ramsay set. Painted ice cream cups, small cork balls (14mm; 1/2") sprayed black; foam practice golf balls sprayed black and two tomatoes.
Complete Ramsay set

Another view of the complete set
Complete set - second shot

This was much more successful than my first attempt. Still a couple of things to improve. I think the larger black balls are a fraction too big. Ideally, I'd like to find some cork balls that are about 1" to 1-1/4" diameter. Matt paint may be better for the cork & load balls.

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Richard,

Those look great. The contrast between the black balls and red tomatos is stunning.
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Thanks Dave. I can't claim any credit for that - that's John Ramsay's idea. That man knew how to put things together, didn't he? The props are so simple, the routine is great - the thought put into it is a work of genius.
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Those look FANTASTIC!!!!!
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Richard,

Where can I find Ramsay's routine?
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Thanks Bill - I'm pleased with the way they turned out.

Dave, the Ramsay routine has been published in two sources: firstly in Victor Farelli's book 'John Ramsay's Routine with the Cups and Balls' (1948) and also in Andrew Galloway's book 'The Ramsay Classics' (1977). Both are excellent books, but neither is cheap - copies come up occasionally on eBay. Farelli's book usually sells for around $200 and Andrew Galloway's for $300+. There's a copy of The Ramsay Classics on eBay now - available for $350 on a 'Buy It Now'. There have been rumours for a while that Richard Kaufman will be reprinting the routine in Genii, but that's not happened yet.
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On 2007-08-09 18:07, Dave McFarland wrote:
Richard,

Where can I find Ramsay's routine?


Look on the first Galloway tape or DVD available from International Magic in England or some larger shops here in the US.

Here is a link to one dealer just to show you the item and its contents: http://www.elmwoodmagic.com/?key=3269&html=full
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Jonathan,

Thanks for the link. I haven't seen a review for these DVDs on the Café. Are they good?
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I don't think Galloway had the same finale as did Ramsay (the paper coils). Correct me if I'm wrong.
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