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Richard Evans Inner circle 1379 Posts 
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On 2007-08-09 23:20, Pete Biro wrote: That's an interesting point. If I remember correctly, this is how it went. The main Ramsay routine in Farelli's book is with the tomatoes. However, Farelli says that Ramsay had contacted him near the time of going to press with a new idea that he had had of ending the cups routine - by using paper coils. So, the ending with paper coils is presented seperately - almost as an afterthought. But what an afterthought it is! Andy Galloway sticks to the tomato ending (at least, that what's in The Ramsay Classics and on his DVDs). It would be intresting to know if he also does the coils and if not, whether sticks to the tomatoes for personal preference or because it's what Ramsay mainly did.
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cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1157 Posts
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On 2007-08-09 17:23, Richard Evans wrote: Mighty nice execution, though! |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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Now I gotta go dig up my reference material.
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Richard Evans Inner circle 1379 Posts
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[quote]On 2007-08-10 06:44, Richard Evans wrote:
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I need to correct myself: I just checked the books. The details regarding the Farelli book are correct. However, my recollection was wrong about The Ramsay Classics, which does detail the paper coil loads. Andy Galloway doesn't show the paper coils on his DVD, though.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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Ramsay was using the paper hat coils when he visited America in 1950. There are some photos of him performing the trick and the coils in Galloway's book The Ramsay Finale.
The videos are fine if you want an idea of how the moves should look. Galloway does not try to do a Ramsay impression. There are a few short clips on the videos of Ramsay himself in action. All I can say about those clips is "Wow!"
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BenHFarrar Regular user 103 Posts
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Richard...what a great job. Those cups look amazing.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On 2007-08-10 06:44, Richard Evans wrote:... There was another guy, Rezvani whose book featured a cup routine using tomatoes at the time. The Ramsay routine itself plays as if you were doing the standard chop cup routine but using two cups, sort of pete and repeat. The "afterthought" may be a thanks to Vernon thing where Ramsay got wind of the cup through cup bit and saw how that applied to the coil loads.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts
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There is some very interesting misinformation about Ramsay floating around. One piece is that he was unable to do a classic palm. According to Bobby Bernard, who was a good friend of Ramsay's, he could do a classic palm just fine. However, he always felt unnatural with it and chose his own way.
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts
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Thanks, Bill. This certainly clarify the misinformation floating around.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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The Rezvani "Tomato Trick" is a KILLER routine with a bowl (or bowls?) anyway there is a ball vanish that I have taken to another level that FRIES... I use it to start my Benson/Tomsoni/Biro version.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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I might explain (the effect). You have a ball on the table and the bowl in hand. You seemingly just THROW the bowl down over the ball from a distance. When the bowl is lifted (by anyone) the ball is gone.
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts
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Pete, that is a real killer vanish!
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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Wow Pete, that sounds great. I'd like to learn more about that. I guess PM or email would be called for unless you want to share it here.
:)
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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It is in the Rezvani book, but I do it whilst holding a wand -- which makes it even more decptive. Man it is hard to describe. Will try via PM.
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walid ahumada Special user sinaloa, mexico 892 Posts
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another ramsay's cups, I belive they are beautifull
http://www.jamesriser.com/Magic/JohnRamsay/Cup.html
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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Kindly do not confuse any metal or specially made cups for what Ramsay used.
But do consider that if you would use something other than the paper icecream cups you may want to use every other available technology to help make the trick more magical for your audiences.
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts
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Jake,
I can't access my E mail account at the moment but hopefully you'll see this.... If you still have that last set of Pete's "Ramsay Cups" I'd like to buy them! I'll be back home on Sunday 10/7 and hopefully we can make it happen! Thanks, Mick |
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rickmagic1 Inner circle MIddle Tennessee area 1546 Posts
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Anyone that has the Galloway-Ramsay dvds...I couldn't tell from the routine listings: does he teach Ramsay's "tissue paper" trick? I'm referring to the one which uses the tissues and the two glasses...
Richard Green
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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Yes that trick, the Triple Restoration, is taught as the first item on the first DVD.
Learning that trick one is led to wonder about using the cop principle with the cups and so to make a ball penetrate a cup in a most strange manner. And if you get your hands on the Farelli booklet you also get a fleeting glimpse into what JR claimed to be doing for billet work. 
So getting back to the metal Biro cups... I strongly suggest you ask about having them chopped so you can explore what Ramsay did not have a chance to even consider. 
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts
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***so you can explore what Ramsay did not have a chance to even consider***
Hmmmmmmmm..... you make me think to much Jon! (Thanks) Mick |
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