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j0ndrums
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I'm a bit of a new guy here, so go easy. Take a look at my intro if you wish:
http://themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic......42&7

Ok, so when I first got interested in gambling stuff, I did a little web searching on bottom dealing because that sounded pretty interesting and useful. Well that didn't turn up much except warnings about what to look for to prevent cheaters. Pretty much I got the idea that anyone who is going to bottom deal is going to hold the deck in something like the mechanics grip where (at least) the first finger is on the front/short side of the deck. I dutifully kept an eye out in all my card games for this kind of grip and paid extra attention when I saw it. Well I never caught anyone, but that's not the point. I also didn't see too many people hold the deck like this while dealing.

Now that I know just a bit more, the above tidbit has become increasingly more important to me... I've seen plenty of unique bottom dealing techniques, each proclaiming its perfectness for various reasons. It would seem to me however, that the perfect bottom deal (for gambling) would be one that doesn't arouse the slightest suspicion. To me, I want to perfect things that don't betray the fact that I've spent hours perfecting them. That's why I'm trying to perfect a bottom deal from a "plain-jane" grip. By this I mean something like a layman's 4-finger grip.

It seems that there is precious little information about a bottom deal from grips where the front of the deck isn't held/controlled. The only stuff I can find is a barely useful description from Sharps and Flats, and Marlo's description of the SF grip bottom from seconds, centers, and bottoms.

Both of these descriptions want you to strike and take the card out the front. That just seems almost impossible to cover the necessary bottom strike action. I've worked on a method where I can take the card out the side which works very well as far as I can tell. I don't want to expose too much here until I find out if this an original method or not - I would highly doubt its originality, but as I said I haven't found anything like it in print.

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Jon,

I have spent a few years so far working on my bottom deal. I also hold the deck in standard grip (four fingers on the side). I have been constantly revising my deal since I have started. I have realized that the best thing to do is to practice until you develop your own style for the strike or push off to the take to the sail. all it is time.
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Richard Turner has a really good DVD about bottoms on his website

http://www.richardturner52.com
magician8
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It depends on the game you're playing, in a loose one, nobody will look a t your grip.



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Jondrums, don't get too caught up on the grip. watch any of the poker shows on tv and you will see many of the dealers use a mechanics grip. I've even seen a straddle grip here and there.

Perhaps, when it was first mentioned, the mechanics grip was something to look out for, but with all the fanfare and gambling across the globe, that is no longer the case. Like everything, card handling has evolved and so has what is considered the norm.
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I even seen a gambler use the master grip.
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I'm pretty sure the first time I ever picked up a pack of cards I picked it up in mechanics grip. Maybe that's just the way my Mother held them so that's how I held them. I can distinctly remember my Mother teaching me how to shuffle cards and doing a bridge. I couldn't have been more than 6 or 7 years old.

But for me, long before I ever started noticing or caring about grips, I was holding the deck in a mechanics grip. To me the mechanics grip is actually more natural that a full grip. It's just the position my hand has always taken since I first picked up a deck. My point is, I don't think it matters much. There is no harm in having a deal like that, but I don't think holding the deck in mechanics grip is an automatic red flag.

Wasn't "Clock" talking about doing a bottom from a full grip?

I just realized how old this thread was.
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I think I have seen Ed Marlo do a Sharps and Flats deal on a DVD might be Seconds Centers and Bottoms.
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I wouldn't worry about the grips either. As far a full grip is concerned, I've seen a Fred Robinson Center Deal in action and it was in full grip. I would imagine his bottom is the same. Look into getting Robinson's book when it finally gets published.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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I believe the best bottom deal is that one that can be performed naturally and invisibly, as for the grip, I've seen guys deal in a straddle grip.
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