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in flames Inner circle Toronto 1030 Posts |
Easily the DVDs of the year.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I wouldn't go that far. As far as content and entertainment value I'd have to say the Paul Potassy DVD is the best. While the Buck product is really well produced and you have to admire their abilities it has very little usable material for most magicians and those that will think they can use a lot of it are more jugglers than magicians. I will say the Buck product is the best produced DVD of the year.
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Jacob Smith Inner circle Columbus, OH 1871 Posts |
Mine should be coming tomorrow, cant wait!!!
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J. Rose New user 85 Posts |
Sweet mother of God! This definitely is a product and purchase of the decade for me or for anyone for that matter. Words cannot describe how great this set is. This was definitlely worth the wait. I not even going to try to write a review since pratically testimonials are everywhere already. If I had known the dvds were going to be this phenomenal, I would've purchased it from Dan and Dave themselves out of respect than penguin and pay the extra 22 bucks (no pun intended). As a matter of fact I just might order another one from them to keep as a souvineer. I'll give this 20 starts out of 10 stars. You can't afford to not to have this. Purchase it, for anyone who wants to elevate their skills. This is one for the ages
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in flames Inner circle Toronto 1030 Posts |
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On 2007-07-06 18:03, MagicSanta wrote: Yup. I'm going that far. I'll go even further and say that they blow away the Potassy DVDs. No disrespect to Paul. I bought and loved he's DVDs. He's a legend. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Well...to each his own. I viewed it like a great juggling dvd, amazing stuff, absolutely a show of great skill, and I'll never have a use for 98% of it and already do the 2% that I found practical. The street assassins and hallway hit men, they are going to go ga ga over the material and I'm sure their cats will love watching them perform. The one thing I need to get down that has evaded me for years is the dang hot shot cut....
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Cameron Francis V.I.P. 7025 Posts |
I hear you about the Hot Shot Cut. The only version I am able to do pretty well is the one Oz Pearlman teaches on Born To Perform. Don't know if it's his but it's not that difficult to do.
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Lukenp Special user 560 Posts |
The Hot Shot cut IS worth learning. Any way you do it, it looks good, but I like Daryl's original version the best.
"Be natural"
-Dai Vernon |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Daryl tried teaching me once. He failed.
(note how if I can't do it then the teacher fails yet if I can do it it is because I learned it? Very mentalism eh?) |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
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On 2007-07-07 01:04, J. Rose wrote: I read this post about 5 times trying to figure out where I've seen writing like this. DAVE DEE writes like this in his ad copies. Anyone else think so?
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
All that is missing is the 'marketing maven caps', for example:
Sweet mother of God! This definitely is a product and purchase of the decade for me or for anyone for that matter. would be presented as: Sweet mother of GOD! This DEFINITELY is a produce and purchase of the DECADE for me or for ANYONE for that matter. It is pretty easy to tell the difference between the posts that are opinion and the posts that are there to hype the product. |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
I love the "definitely is a product and purchase of the decade for me or for anyone for that matter".
That's a bold statement. I could see it's the best purchase I've made this year, but the best for the decade for him OR anyone else? And this gem "As a matter of fact I just might order another one from them to keep as a souvineer". If you have one set, why another as a souvenir?
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Excellent question. Perhaps he wants one to watch Dave on and the other to watch Dan on.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
I'm just etasing about that post, bu it's clear the Buck brothers are very talented and I wish them well with their new DVD set.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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psychicturtle Special user UK 821 Posts |
A little off topic I know, but I was curious about some of the points made about flourishes and displays of skill giving participants an explanation for what one does. Obviously I have heard this before, but due to the reactions I have been getting since adding flourishes into some of my routines I will admit I was dismissive of this suggestion.
Well, I decided to do a bit of research and just ask people outright how they thought I had done some of what I did. The response was generally along the lines of this: "Well, you are clearly very skilled with cards, but that doesn't explain how that card got from my hands to yours." The lesson I have learnt? If the magic is strong enough, NO amount of skill can explain it - because it's MAGICAL. Those who insist that it detracts from the magic are free to feel that way, and I will not criticise their excluding of flourishes from their acts. But do not look down on those of us who are including flourishes thoughtfully and carefully, we care about and study magic as much as you. Hell, I'm a student (directly) of Jeff McBride and Eugene Burger. I do know about creating a magical experience. It's what I'm about. Flourishes, when used thoughtfully, only add to it (especially with any 'magician in trouble' type routine - it's a great excuse for the 'oh, I have actually lost your card...how can I get out of this?' kind of situations). And I suppose J.Rose might want to buy a second copy for a souvenir if they...umm...are a bit obsessive about the twins or they think it will be worth loads on e-bay in a few years (which it won't as there are loads of copies about). |
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erlandish Inner circle Vancouver, Canada 1254 Posts |
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On 2007-07-08 06:22, psychicturtle wrote: The problem lies in what you yourself stated earlier -- that our spectators don't really believe in magic anyways. If they know you're skilled, and if in truth it's skill that helps you to accomplish your effects, then what they know isn't all that far from the real explanation. On the other hand, somebody who comes across as having no apparent skill can deepen the deception and mystery behind feats of skill. There are fewer dots that the spectator can connect. It's why Ted Annemann cautioned against mentalists rolling up their sleeves -- if you're trying to build conviction that your character is really capable of reading minds, why allow the thought of sleight-of-hand to enter their thoughts in the first place? Similarly, displays of skill condition the spectator to burn your hands, since there are so many pretty things going on to look at. That could mean the difference between them seeing or missing the "hop" motion when you do the pass -- again, the difference between them not knowing what you did, and believing that you didn't do anything at all. For some performers that very distinction is hugely important. I can't speak for others, but personally, I don't look down upon flourishers. I just thought it interesting that you said guys like myself who feel that flourishes are counterproductive for our own performances are somehow fooling ourselves. There is no New Breed of card magicians who aren't afraid of flourishing, because the concept of adding flourishes to performances isn't new at all -- on the contrary, this issue is old enough that it's been wrestled with by guys like Vernon, Carney, etc. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
The way I look at it is thus:
Flourishes are great to practice and a Syblil type cut can be very funny. Say you are doing a routine and you say "I did a simple cut" then do a Sybil and it is a joke, in that context cool. Here are two examples, which is more mysterious and magical: 1. A card is selected by a spec and put on the table by the magician, the deck is also on the table. The magician passes his hand over the deck, the tabled card turns into another card and the selected card is found face up in the deck. 2. A card is selected by a spec and put on the table by the magician after he vanishes it in his hand a produces it again a few times. The deck is picked up, multple fans are done and a series of difficult multiple cuts performed and the deck flipped down to the table where it falls down showing the selected card face up, the selection put on the table is a different card. While two is certainly more of an example of hours spent working on moves and they are impressive the first is more magical and we are magicians not jugglers. After number one the spec is thinking "how did he do that?" after number two he is thinking "when did he do that?". Over the years I've seen many of the greats perform, all of which were more than capable to do multiple cuts in the vane of the Bucks. Look at the credits, lots of ol' timey magicians are listed. Other than as a joke they left the flourishes to an absolute minimum. The reason was these professionals and top drawer amataurs looked at the performance and went with what would recieve the best reaction. I fully understand that there are those who are pretty new to magic who basically want to show off and flourishes and manipulations ala Devo and the handlordz twits help them to show off. If they continued in magic, as they mature in the art, they will likely change their perspective. I've heard the Bucks say that if doing a magic set they do not do all the flourishes they are known for. This is because they have been doing magic for several years and they also know that flourishes have a place and at times doesn't. Are people going to react to all the cuts and that stuff? Sure, like I said it is impressive juggling and people like to see skills exhibited. People also react to magic well presented, and that also takes skill. These DVDs were extremely well produced, the Bucks have gone to film school so they know how to film something. The tricks are quick and perfect for the slump in the hall at school magic doer. The multiple cuts are impressive and once you have trained your hands and developed the strength to do them they will come a lot easier than before that strength kicks in. The Bucks should be congratulated for putting out a very high quality product, which they always do. This is starting to remind me of the fans of some rock stars who hold the rock stars up to a certain level while and that the star speaks for them the rock star is saying "gee, they just don't really get it do they?" |
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AnthonyMaze Loyal user San Diego, Ca 260 Posts |
I just got my set today, I will try and add anything else that I think someone may have left out, but if you have read all the post on these two pages, Im not sure what I will be able to add.
This set sounds GREAT... looking forward to it :o)
...for the 51st time... that is NOT my card...
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parmatar New user 11 Posts |
Just curious, would anyone be willing to list the 'classics' in flourishes 101? I'd be very grateful.
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Pathian Regular user Dayton, OH 175 Posts |
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On 2007-07-13 01:48, parmatar wrote: thumb fan pressure fan lepaul spread charlier cuts hot shot cut one hand shuffle one hand table shuffle ribbon spread card spring dribbles revolution cut tg deck flip sybil the ripper table faro + forte bridge simple switch pirouette back palm waterfall under pressure |
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