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Keernyboy
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Is it possible to make a living on card magic alone? My family and friends are always saying to me, "you could be making money, and you're wasting yourself doing tricks for us." I just like doing it as a hobby, but are there people making a living at it???
Kyle Hohn
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Yes it is very possible.
cosmopop1
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I bet, I mean there are a lot of close up opportunities, such as busking or walk-around/party magic with cards. It is definitely possible
Joey Stalin
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But not easy.
-A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
-It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
-The secret impresses no one. The trick you use it for is everything.

See you space cowboy...
Jonathan Townsend
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Start by asking yourself if you are eager to entertain others and to create performances that are designed for the audience rather than for your own amusement.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
Hideo Kato
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Before you think about earning money with card magic, I recommend you to practice more and polish yourself as an entrtainer. Your ability and your attractivenss will decide whether you can earn good money with card magic or not.

If you have a good job and think about change your job, be careful. I know very many magicians who don't earn more money than they earned before changing their job.

Of course you can earn money by performing part time even if you are no good. But becoming a full time professinal is completely different. I never encourage or advice without seeing your performance, without knowing your potential as an entertainer.

Hideo Kato
Dannydoyle
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Short answer, absolutly yes. Eddie Tullock did exactly that.
Danny Doyle
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Whit Haydn
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If you can make a living doing anything other than magic, and be happy...you should do that.
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On 2007-07-07 00:17, Whit Haydn wrote:
If you can make a living doing anything other than magic, and be happy...you should do that.

Wow. That is probably the best or worst statement I have ever read at the Café.

Best,
Charles
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On 2007-07-07 00:17, Whit Haydn wrote:
If you can make a living doing anything other than magic, and be happy...you should do that.


I'd like to know exactly what you mean by this, Whit. Care to enlighten?

Gianni
Hideo Kato
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Of course it means it is better to earn money for living with other than magic because you can enjoy magic as your hobby. Doing magic as profession and doing magic as your hobby is the opposite thing in a sense. If you read 'Shimada Dragon' in June issue of Genii, you will know being a professional magician is a hard thing.

Hideo Kato

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I suppose some professionals would say they are enjoying being professional.
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Dear Keerneyboy,

Yes, one CAN earn a living from just a deck of cards. I do. I am a professional magician/entertainer and I ONLY use cards. I do this for corporate parties, weddings, trade shows etc., etc.

It's TOUGH - but, it can be done if you want it bad enough.

Entertaining, say, 200 people at a wedding for 2 hours is easy(ish) because one does, say, 4 tricks only for each group of, say, 4 people. 200 people divided by 4 is therefore 50 mini performances.

But, doing - as I often do - 1 hour for 10 people (sat at a table) is VERY TOUGH. You have to have 1 hours worth of DIFFERENT material. That is, about, 30 different themes card effects that ALL FLOW without set-up pauses etc. ALL ATTENTION is CONSTANTLY on you for that 1 hour. Your energy has to increase trick to trick so that attention doesn't dwindle...it isn't easy.

ENTERTAINMENT has to be the main goal. You don't have to be funny, but you HAVE to engage...you HAVE to know how to interact with folks. To learn this, WATCH the best entertainers on video. See how THEY did it. Watch non-magic acts like Frank Sinatra, Pavarotti, Louis Armstrong etc., etc... See how the BEST ENTERTAINERS "TIME" their acts...how they STRUCTURE...pacing...attitude...pauses...

Anyway...one could write a book about just this one topic!

BEST ADVICE: Spend a year working for free at the TOUGHEST joint you can find! GREAT EXPERIENCE!

Paul Gordon
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I'm a part time pro. Currently, about 65% of my income comes from performing magic, all close-up, very card heavy. When I started in magic, all I wanted to do was cards. It's all that interested me and I was doing magic for me. I still do it for me, only doing tricks I like, but I did have to recognize the value in performing with other props. Last night, at a 3 hour restaurang gig featured mostly cards, and 2 non card items, Charming Chinese Challenge, and Ring on Stick. These both get great reactions. When I perform a formal parlour show in someone's home, it's also very card heavy, the only other items are Endless Chain, and Cups and Balls. Like Paul said, it can be done, but it can also be fun to change things up once in a while.
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I`m mainly interested in performing to entertain freinds & others & bring some fun to a party or waiting in line. something new & exciting to add to my hobbys,theres a person that inspired me that I really like to.
theres a lot to learn out there,many interesting subjects,and hobbies to enjoy
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On 2007-07-06 19:41, Keernyboy wrote:
"you could be making money,and your wasting yourself doing tricks for us"


I'm not sure if you mean that they are saying to you...a),

"you could be making good money as a [whatever], and yet your wasting yourself because all you seem to be interested in are those card tricks that you are constantly boring us with."

or b), "you're so phenomenal and entertaining with those card tricks, that we think you're wasting yourself only showing them to us because there's people out there that'd pay top $ to see them"

But either way if you really enjoy it as a hobby and want to keep it that way look to earn a living elsewhere and keep it as a great hobby that can maybe, whenever the mood takes you, also earn you some extra cash.

Neal
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Really?
People are paying mortgages, car payments, tuitions, medical expenses, etc, by entertaining with cards only?
If so, I sincerely doubt there are, or have been, very many who have done this without some other income.
From what I see, most write books, make videos, lecture, sell other products and have other means to suppliment their magic.
The entertainment part is usually not enough.

If anyone decides that they want to go pro I would suggest that they at least have a back up income. I know one fellow who holds onto a regular, part time job for the medical and retirement benefits.
R.S.
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Keernyboy,

Your family and friends are not necessarily the best judges of your abilities. Nor are they probably aware of what it takes to be a working pro. As a hobbyist, I get the same thing from my friends and family all the time too, but if they only knew what a schmuck I was compared to a real working pro, they may have a different opinion.

That's not to say that you yourself can't/won't be successful working paid gigs, but definitely heed the advice of the pros who have posted here. They know what they're talking about.

Best Wishes,
Ron
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PaulGordon
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JAZ is correct. Yes, I also do lectures, tuition, sell DVD's, write/sell books etc. The income from these "features" augment my income, but are NOT pivotal. In other words, they are a bonus. 80% of my income is from professional entertaining for laymen.

The other thing to mention (to Keernyboy) is that I HAVE to travel a lot to get the work. Sometimes 5 hours in the car to get to the gig, then a 2-hour show and 5 hours travel back home. It certainly isn't glamarous...and it IS tiring. But - I LOVE IT TO BITS!!!!!!!!

Paul Gordon
Paulo Cabrita
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Making money doing illusions...is possible but very dificult.

Paulo
Robert Apodaca
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On 2007-07-06 21:21, S2000magician wrote:
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On 2007-07-06 19:59, Robert Apodaca wrote:
Darwin Ortiz.

Darwin probably makes a lot more consulting for casinos than entertaining with card magic. You could ask him here.

However, names like Derek Dingle, Earl Nelson, Lennert Green and Gregory Wilson spring to mind.

I'm sure he does while off of magic too.
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