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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Code for: trick addicted wannabes will buy it.
now go out there and support your dealers!
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
To the amateur magician, "commercial" is basically a meaningless buzzword. To a professional, it means "you can keep a roof over your head with this."
Back during the "Great Folk Music Scare of the 1960's," the two buzzwords were "commercial" and "ethnic." Both of these had negative contexts when used by amateur folk musicians. "Commercial" meant 1) can play and sing on key 2) plays or sings better than I do 3) has an act 4) dresses better than I do. 5) more popular with the audiences and management than I am. "Ethnic" meant 1) plays or sings off key 2) doesn't play well 3) works in a foreign language 4) dresses like an automobile mechanic who just got off work 5) makes me feel better about being "me." Neither of these meanings had anything to do with what the words really mean, except the part about being more popular and having an act. Relating this to magic, for me, a commercial trick or routine would be something that has a maximum of impact and that can play well for a stand-up audience. I tend to relate good commercial magic to things I can do at trade shows, particularly those that will attract a crowd and will get people to tell others about the booth I'm working in. It has little or nothing to do with the amount of money it makes for the person who sells the trick. I don't believe most ads about "commercial" magic. I know commercial magic when I see it.
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Psy-Kosh Regular user Michigan 134 Posts |
I don't know about "commercial", but as far as "visual", that may have a modicum more meaning. I'd interpret it to mean something along the lines of "performing this isn't just magic, it's magic with eye-candy"... ie, I'd think of the term as, say, applying to things like cardtoon, while at the opposite end, you have plently of, say, mentalism effects where there isn't as much to see, as such. The magic happens in a different way than with flashy visuals.
Maybe that's not how it's intended, but that would be along the lines of what would pop into my head if I hear something like "visual" or "non visual" magic. Of course, it may very well be streched to the breaking point in buzzwordspeak style usage, but... |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
To the professional, it’s a meaningless buzzword used to sell things to the amateur, so the professional can keep a roof over his head. To the amateur it sounds like money.
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If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Darkwing Inner circle Nashville Tn 1850 Posts |
I am finally glad to see that no one really knows what a commercial effect is. I thought I was the only one in the dark.
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Chris H Inner circle Melbourne, Australia 1364 Posts |
Look up "artistic". Commercial means exactly the opposite.
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DStachowiak Inner circle Baltimore, MD 2158 Posts |
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On 2007-07-08 21:09, Jonathan Townsend wrote: That's what I always figured! Don
Woke up.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2007-08-03 01:14, Topher Higgins wrote: Really? Andy Warhol might have disagreed. His works certainly suggest otherwise.
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karbonkid Special user 951 Posts |
You beat me to it, JT!
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Welcome KK, and folks who've done some reading in art history will also remember that many of the finest works in our museums were done as commissionedd works, IE as commercial works for paying customers.
There is no "either or" about art versus commerce. It's a false dichotomy often set up by those who have neither the artistic vision to produce works which attract the attention of the art community nor the business acumen to offer works which would satisfy paying customers.
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erlandish Inner circle Vancouver, Canada 1254 Posts |
Same with literature. Many things that we consider high classics today actually did a fair amount of pandering to their audiences back when they were published.
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enginemagic Special user Bluffton Indiana 597 Posts |
The gereats have a commercial work ,and many things work well for them ,life goes on!!!!!
theres a lot to learn out there,many interesting subjects,and hobbies to enjoy
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpe......eet.html
The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed -- for lack of a better word -- is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed -- you mark my words -- will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Greed involves losing sight of the meaning and purpose of a thing and attaching one's love/lust to the thing itself instead of what it might be used for.
Greed is very bad. It's the "love of money" thing all over again. Remember, accepting money for our good work is a demonstration of faith that we can later trade that money for someone else's good work. Money is an article of faith, a placeholder for value and not the value itself.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Many of the innovations and most of the great masterpieces of the period were fuelled by the entrepreneurial spirit, the spreading desire for consumer goods and a rush to capitol. In Worldly Goods: A new History of the Renaissance, Lisa Jardine shows, with magnificent illustrations and incisive, detailed text, how the cultural and intellectual transformations of the Renaissance were driven by expanding capitalism. She suggests that “those impulses which today we disparage as “consumerism” were present in the Renaissance mind-set that produced the works and advances we treasure today. Even commercialism played a role “A painters reputation rested on his ability to arouse commercial interest in his work of art. And not on some intrinsic criteria of intellectual worth.”
Worldly Goods http://www.amazon.com/Worldly-Goods-Lisa......85476841 If it were not for commercialism I don’t think we would have any great magicians or masterpieces of magic. Well I don’t think we would have playing cards anyway.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Now wasn't it nice of those Arab merchants to keep copies of ancient books around and even be willing to sell us some of them back?
Even nicer that they kept so many in their libraries so when we learned to read again we could recover the old knowledge and even learn some new things from more recent books.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
As the fella said: The Orient is timeless and unchanging. “I am Abu the thief, son of Abu the thief, grandson of Abu the thief ....”
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
"Orient" .. geeze you are wading into some deep waters teeming with hungry old grudges and bigotry.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
“…most unfortunate of ten sons with a hunger that yearns day and night."
The Thief of Bagdad. Calm down dear, it’s only a commercial.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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enginemagic Special user Bluffton Indiana 597 Posts |
Quote: I agree with Jonathan on that one.It happens all the time with anny subject/inventions.On 2007-08-04 22:03, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
theres a lot to learn out there,many interesting subjects,and hobbies to enjoy
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