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kimmo Inner circle Sheffield 1193 Posts |
Otis Botis??
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Tod Todson Inner circle USA 1296 Posts |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Lack of concern for others is not rare.
There is an obvious difference in value systems. Blaming it on genetics doesn’t hold water with me. Brits versus Americans in this case fails because my ancestry on both sides is Great Britain. My brother-in-law is a barrister. Most likely we share a gene pool. I’m told that a major venue for entertainment there is named for an ancestor. The family name is still carried by the males in the family as a first or middle name. However, there is absolutely no reason to think that Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs does not apply to an aspiring magician. It is a matter of achievement moving up the pyramid. (At birth, we do not contribute benefits for the others in society. We start as net consumers. Productivity, if ever, comes later.) Starting at the bottom is reasonable. Capacity and scale of growth is a very individual thing. Lucy and I have had our Cadillacs, BMWs, private planes and private pilots, multiple dwellings, etc. Things at the bottom of the pyramid are not the baffling challenges anymore. We certainly started with nothing but worked hard to move up the pyramid. It worked. Success is a trust to be administered. Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. Without preparation opportunities won’t matter. Therefore, step one is preparation. Not everyone even succeeds at self-preparation. Granted, all don’t evolve into altruism. I hope that you do. And that is a wish to benefit others and you. Bob PS --- Once I had a mentor tell me that talking to someone about a half-million dollar house is a waste of time unless they own at least one. He was right. However, I did not catch on immediately. Growing takes some time. |
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Tod Todson Inner circle USA 1296 Posts |
Bob, I think you are taking about creating a legacy, and not just a living. That is my goal also, no matter how it may sound.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
We likely agree. However, to me it is reinvesting in civilization. Even in my lifetime I have seen civilizations both in and outside the USA abolished. Ignorance and arrogance are two major factors.
The starting place to reverse that is children. Magic opens those doors. Today's 22 minute stage (theater) show was to about 1200 of them. That's an opportunity! How many other people (excluding intrusive media like TV) have meaningful attention with that size live audience a day? Entertaining sends messages too. Are we spending their time or investing it? It's a choice! Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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KC Cameron Inner circle Raleigh, North Carolina 1944 Posts |
Bob, I don't think anyone is implying it is genetics. Cultural differences, yes, but more important, a few louder "British" making the rest look . . . This is why I was careful to use language like: "some of the Brit's", "British" attitude, "THIS thread", "British" response, “The sad thing is all of the Brits are getting painted with a wide brush. If I was British, I'd be mad.". I also carefully chose my quote from an English Philosopher - Hobbes.
The funny thing is 4 of these "British" magicians (2 from this thread)sound so much alike I would swear they came from the same mold (MUST be my American ear!). I have also noticed at least one use "American" English on occasion - - I assume from watching too much American TV?? Funny how those are the ones who keep posting my video . . . How the "very caring and sympathetic" meow was so quick to do the same - never seeing the others posts. . . it boggles my American mind! As British go, in no way do I think that this has been a representative sample. I just used "British" attitude because the SOME of the British posters did. |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Captain,
I don't think there is any question that these don't represent the British. Let's hope they don't represent any accomplished magicians either. Bob |
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Well, I am not getting into the cultural debate, but I am going to defend Bob Sanders. I know Bob to be a very caring individual. I have no doubt that he loves kids. I do, and I am certainly not ashamed of it. My love for children is one of the reasons I decided to be a magician. I love seeing them smile and hearing them laugh. Perhaps I perform for selfish reasons too, because I get a great deal of pleasure from entertaining them.
Call it corny, sentimental or puke if you need to, but it is genuine in some of us. Regan
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Tod Todson Inner circle USA 1296 Posts |
What would folks say if asked this question by a reporter?
Are most really in this just as a job, or is it because of something more meaningful?
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3162 Posts |
Otis, most do view it as a job, and sad to say, that’s why they will never be as successful as they could be. They may as well be punching a clock.
I’m in the childcare business and I have a two year waiting list of parents just waiting to pay me weekly. Not because there are no other places in the area to take them, I have a lot of competition, and it’s not because I have the greatest daycare center. It’s simply because we are viewed as the most caring center in the area. It’s not something you can fake, parents and children can spot it easily. Bob is so successful because he doesn’t put himself or the money part first, and he keeps reminding himself of this by reading the poem. If I were being interviewed, I would most certainly say it’s not just the money and talk about how I loved working with children. Sure, talk about the magic and how you enjoy performing it, but the love for children will be the part that touches them the most. Practice the loving part until it becomes real and before you know it the line will start to grow. To parents, their children are the most important thing in the world, no matter where you live. Don’t let anyone tell you different. Tom
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Rupert Bair Inner circle ? 2179 Posts |
I like the poem.
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Starrpower Inner circle 4070 Posts |
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On 2007-07-13 00:44, Otis Botis wrote: Mine was sincere ... I like the money! Okay, I might say, "I'm very fortunate in that I am able to get paid for what I enjoy doing." How's that? Now the truth is, I do magic even when I'm not being paid ... as do most of us. So I suppose I enjoy doing it, or I would only do it when I am getting paid. They could then ask a follow-up question, "Why do you like it?" which would lead to another discussion not asked about here. As for being "meaningful," I HATE it when magicians get self-important and think that doing a bloomin' trick (that was for the Limey's out there) has importance! "Oh, we help the poor souls forget their daily problems!" Howash! They could read a book, watch TV, talk to a friend, make fun of the British ... we are NOT important. We are a temporary diversion. Let's not think we're more that we are. |
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meow New user 2 Posts |
As for being "meaningful," I HATE it when magicians get self-important and think that doing a bloomin' trick (that was for the Limey's out there) has importance! "Oh, we help the poor souls forget their daily problems!" Howash! They could read a book, watch TV, talk to a friend, make fun of the British ... we are NOT important. We are a temporary diversion. Let's not think we're more that we are.
Hi, Yeah the British / americian thing was a bit of a joke/fun but I agree with your above meow |
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Scott O. Inner circle Midwest 1143 Posts |
Starrpower is right. Doing a 'bloomin trick' is nothing more than a diversion for people. It's merely a way to pay the bills. . . However, the attitude of the performer makes all the difference in the world. Really. It's not about being all 'self-important.'If someone loves people and sees a high purpose for his own life, then he naturally wants to pass that along. Hopefully, that shines through in everything he does -- including (and perhaps especially) when performing in front of an audience of impressionable children.
Nothing wrong with the money; nothing wrong with loving to perform. I happen to subscribe to both of these as well. But there are other, dare I say higher, reasons for performing. Perhaps its best summed up by the word -- purpose.
Do not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time you will reap a harvest, if you do not give up. Galatians 6:9
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KC Cameron Inner circle Raleigh, North Carolina 1944 Posts |
A diversion, not for me!
Back in the early ‘80’s when I finally got around to go to college, I volunteered a summer at a youth camp. They had a magician there, and I was amazed at how he could hold the children’s attention and help form them. Looking back, he was not a great magician, but he genuinely cared about the kids, and the kids knew it and loved him. He touched each one, and in this formative age, I would say that each benefited from his entertainment. It was because of him, and how he positively affected the kids (and myself) that caused me to go into magic. Too often kids are ignored by adults, we don’t have time, patience, or understand how to relate to them. Kids crave adult attention, they learn from us, copy our ways and our outlook on life. In no way is magic, or any other entertainment, “simply a diversion”. In how we interact, as well as any verbal message we give, teaches the children. If we treat it as simply a diversion, the kids pick up our attitude, and become a little more jaded. If they sense the caring, they will open up more, gain confidence, care more for others, and learn positive ways of getting attention -– on top of any message we send. In every show, the magic words I use are “Please and Thank you”. Do I think that this alone is going to make children more civilized? No, but re-enforces the parent's & teacher's messages; it can help. We are seen as "heros" to many children, and how we act affects them. I also like to involve the group as a whole, and emphasis sharing. Does this, in and of itself change a child? No, but it helps. These are little things that are in each of my shows. When I do a chair levitation, or other magic routine, the child or children being used become more outgoing and brave (for facing the unknown as well as being in front of everyone). Others see them and gain confidence too. They learn how to play as a group, how to have turns, appropriate behavior etc. What are you teaching the children? |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Captain Kid,
That is beautiful! The best reason for doing anything is your own. But never fool yourself into believing that the audience doesn't see it. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Mumblemore Inner circle 1426 Posts |
Along Captain Kid's lines, yesterday I had a wonderful experience. I was at a neighbor kid's birthday party and a child showed up who had seen my day care show about a week earlier. The child could not believe I was the magician who had performed (no wizard costume; different context), and when her parents helped her understand that I had been the magician, but that I was "on break" with my own children at the party, she stared at me in awe and I told her something about continuing to use her imagination, and she came up and shook my hand (and her parents asked if I do birthday parties . . .). Her parents told me she'd been talking about the magic show all week, and waving my magic wand giveaway. That moment (hopefully the first of many - haven't been doing this too long . . .), was redemption for all the hard work, routining, prop porting, expenditure, and late hours scouring the Café search engines . . . It's amazing to spur kids' imagination at the moment when they're still negotiating what's "real." The 4s and 5s are hard to perform for, but the return in terms of impact on them can be tremendous. Cheers and thanks to the Café for helping guide this process.
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Tom Riddle Special user Chelsea, UK 507 Posts |
My question: what if the dislike for Bob's poem came from Americans? What would be Bob and Captain's reaction then?
If Bob and Captain will do some homework, they will find the likes of Tennyson's work, as well as (of course, can one even avoid him?) Shakespeare's, to be quite "mushy" and sentimental. We, too, have hearts!
"Yes, Virginia, there really are people named Riddle...isn't that AMAZING! And to think of all the royalties I'm missing out on! SCANDALOUS!"
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chris mcbrien Inner circle Chicago 1235 Posts |
Having spent some time in the U.K. I'd totally back up the fact that British humor is very different from Amercian humor....
My wife and I do magic to support my family of 4. It's all we do, with my wife being my manager and accountant...and me doing the shows. I think that in itself is "mushy" enough...with what we do being done out of love for our kids and keeping up a lifestyle they can grow up in where they feel safe and able to express themselves. It's not some Hallmark sentimentallity, it's reality... |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
This topic here deals with why we as individuals perform. Those are indeed individual values and not related to anyone else’s biases, prejudices, opinion (even if remotely qualified), knowledge or ignorance. It is in essence a list of reasons posters perform magic.
Please get back on topic. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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