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Vandy Grift
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Here is something I have been thinking about. Just because I was getting sloppy with my own practice and because I see so many videos where I think people are getting this all wrong. It has to do with position of the cards after the cut and the "right to left" movement that is described in so many descriptions of the shifts.

First of all, many times I see videos (and I do it myself sometimes) where in cutting the cards, both packets end up sitting DIRECTLY in front of the the worker. I mean, two neat packets sitting right in front. This never seems to happen in any games I play in. The position after the cut is two packets somewhere to the right of the worker. The position may vary but there is really no way that you are left with two packets sitting right in front of you. You would have to set the deck in front of you and have the person reach over to make a cut and end up like that. Therefore, I don't think it's condusive (and may actually be detrimental) to practice from that position. To have the packets right in front of you, and then pull them straight back may be a good way to get ready, but it dosen't happen that much in real life.

This leads me to the right to left motion. I think a lot of people think the "RTL" motion means going from having the deck directly in front of them over to the left in "preperation for dealing". I'm not sure that's correct. I think in some cases the RTL motion should be from the workers right to directly in front of them. From picking up to a straight on position. Not over to the left side of the body. The worst is going from picking up from the right and making that huge swing all the way from the right side of the body, practically swivelling in the chair, and ending up way to the left. I think it's totally unnatural.

So to my thinking the best way to work out the handling of a shift is from the natural position of the deck being slightly to your right to begin with, to an ending position of haveing everything done and sitting straight on to the table. A little to the left is probably ok. But I think having two packets directly in front of the worker, picking up, drawing straight back and then to the left, is not realistic.

Any thoughts?
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reasons14
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I think you bring up a good point here. Proper poker etiquette is the person to dealers right is to cut toward the dealer. So in practicing a shift in case a player does not cut to the bridge, it should be practiced like it would be in a game to get the natural feel to it.

I also like to practice the pass with uneven packets because it's mostly an all or nothing thing when it comes to cutting to the break. You have those who will do it "9 times out of ten" and then you have those who like to cut like 10 cards for kicks. Some people just have different cutting habits and you have to estimate. Overall. It would benefit a player to practice the bass with uneven packets
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Good point Vandy.

Note though: In a heads up game like Gin the fella will be facing you and also if your a cropier in a game where the players cut, the cutter might be left or right or anywhere depends where the button is.
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On 2007-07-16 16:44, tommy wrote:
Good point Vandy.

Note though: In a heads up game like Gin the fella will be facing you and also if your a cropier in a game where the players cut, the cutter might be left or right or anywhere depends where the button is.


True. I'm talking about the kind of dealers choice, pass the deal, poker games I play a lot of. Basement stuff. In any event, I think too many people are practicing with everything right in front of them, when they should be working from their right back to center. In the games I play the deck is always off to the right after the cut. And you can't pick up the two packets, set them in front of you, lick your fingers, jut your elbows out, and go into the move. lol
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When you use the right to left movement, you gotta be careful or you may flash the bottom packet as it is being shifted, that's why I prefer to move my hands after the shift is nearly complete and with no chances of flashing.
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