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Mr. Ree
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Is there a is a good video of a correctly done “down change”.
(One I can't see from a mile away).

The one I just saw in “Complete Card Magic” was done so poorly that I would
never use it. I don’t know if this is spelled in some other way as
it was evidently named after “Thomas Down”.

I have been going step by step practicing some very basic card handling.

(P.S. I just got this set of DVDs for free so maybe they're not all that great).
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Justin Impossible
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Anything can be done!!! Let me look into that!
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THEGUY26 (Will Swanson)
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I have never heard of that change...
Mr. Ree
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This was from a routine called: The What?
Actually from Volume Two of “Complete Card Magic”. (Magicmakers Inc.)
I see “edge” problems. (Can’t really say more here).

A change of a card occurs in the spectators hand using
a double lift followed by a “down change”. (Very simple method).

Anyway in the video there is “play” mode which plays a chapter on the DVD
to show the “illusion” from a spectators point of view and “secret” mode
which is a chapter on the DVD that shows how the “illusion” is preformed.

I saw “something fishy” even in the “play” mode.
Before I knew how this very simple trick was pulled off.

Just disappointing to see something done poorly on a disk that
was supposedly made for a “beginner” like me.

Maybe the "move" has several names to it. Or maybe in the
video it is called by the wrong name.

For me it is best to spend the time to learn something right the
first time. Otherwise my "good" memory defeats me if I learn
it wrong first then later have learn re-learn it the "right way",
I always remember it the "wrong" way first. Then recall the right way.
An idea can turn to dust or magic, depending on the talent that rubs against it.
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seraph127
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It's the Downs Change, named after Thomas Nelson Downs, one of the greatest con manipulators of all time.

Magic Makers people seem to have trouble spelling.

I don't own the videos. I think the change is good, maybe it wasn't done correctly.
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THEGUY26 (Will Swanson)
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Is that the one at the beginning of Daniel Garcia's Torn video?
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On 2007-07-19 14:34, seraph127 wrote:
It's the Downs Change, named after Thomas Nelson Downs, one of the greatest con manipulators of all time.


Er..."coin", even.

D'OH!
There are many tricks, and many effects, but rarely a Grand Effect. There are many entertainers, but few real magicians. Many technicians, but few artists who use their art to explore their vision. - Derren Brown, Absolute Magic
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On 2007-07-19 14:36, THEGUY26 wrote:
Is that the one at the beginning of Daniel Garcia's Torn video?


Don't know. Don't have that either.

I don't have a large number of videos. I'm a book guy.

:bg:
There are many tricks, and many effects, but rarely a Grand Effect. There are many entertainers, but few real magicians. Many technicians, but few artists who use their art to explore their vision. - Derren Brown, Absolute Magic
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The Down's Change is good when done properly.
There's some timing and misdirection involved when turning the deck over.
It takes a light touch and a gentle toss is better than plastering the card to thier hand.

When I began in magic all I had was books.
I pretty much knew what magic should look like.
The question is: Can you make the Downs Change look like its supposed to?
If not then don't do it.
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Seraph127: Thanks, references were easier to find
after you shared the correct name.

Maybe “con” manipulators is correct?
The guy worked as a prison guard, right?
Sorry, couldn’t resist )

THEGUY26: I don’t have the Garcia video, but
maybe someone else knows.

Jaz: Thanks for the detailed information. Comments such
as “timing and misdirection involved”. And “ a light touch
and a gentle toss is better than plastering the card to their hand”.
really help a lot.

I know this sounds obvious to those that have been doing this awhile, But something
I read in the last month has really helped me move forward more quickly.

That is to practice the normal handling of an item, BEFORE trying to do the
“magic” handling of an item

In other words if I move any object from one hand to another, (coin, card, ball)
and then it “vanishes”. Just practice moving that item from one hand to the other
See it , feel it, before moving to the “effect” handling of that item.

(Wow, I made that clear as mud).
An idea can turn to dust or magic, depending on the talent that rubs against it.
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seraph127
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Perfectly clear.

I'm glad I could help. BTW, all our manipulation is a con of sorts, so maybe I wasn't so far off, as you say!

Jaz has great advice, to which I add:

1)Fight the urge to rush, to pull back the "departing" card too soon. You should wait until just before your hand is completely turned over.

2)I'm more familiar with this as a table change, but I think this can apply regardless. When you have turned your hand over and pinned the "arriving" card down with the finger, "lean" back with the hand, that is, leave the finger in place and pull the hand (and deck) away from the "new" card.
There are many tricks, and many effects, but rarely a Grand Effect. There are many entertainers, but few real magicians. Many technicians, but few artists who use their art to explore their vision. - Derren Brown, Absolute Magic
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