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onbekende020
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Check out the following vid on hand mucking I found on youtube:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=lpqk_jhMxH8

I especially like the one at 00.05sec (he does this one several times)...so smooth...

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Yeah, that guy has the Phantom notebook blog. He's very good.
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Butchers the blackjack mucks like a typical magician, sigh.
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Why don't you give him some advice on it? After all this place is about magicians helping magicians.
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It looked like he was just turning the facedown cards face up...
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Yeah.....where exactly the hand muck was?
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Well you notice he never shows the cards before the actual switch, a major tipoff that something isn't right about it. On the other hand, he exhibits some glaring tells, the typical giveaways that most magicians have when they start dabbling with this sort of thing. Not all of em are real, that's for sure.
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I know cards are not surpassed to go out of sight at the table, but they do especially in poker, and I have never really seen any sense in doing a card switch one handed as you turn it over. Are these one handed switches only used in black jack?
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His "Dirty" hand looks like it's going to Karate Chop somebody fierce while his free hand is relaxed. He also approaches the cards all stiff and in demo mode like he is trying to exactly match the line drawings in the Big Book of Mucking.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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Trying to learn some more mucking (I have Forte's, Darwin's, Fernando's work), is there a Big Book of Mucking??

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Hand mucking by George Joseph is a really good book if you want to learn mucking techniques. I highly recommend it
http://www.gamblersbook.com/weblink.cby/detail/577106.html
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Alas, there is no Big Book of Mucking but maybe one day since we have books solely on Counts, eggs, bill switches, etc... I was commenting on how when some demo mucking techniques, the attitude of their hands become ultra precise. That tension in the hands would wake me up quick at the table. I've seen examples of some expert work and it was scary to see completely relaxed, non-chalant mucks. Scary.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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Isn't mucking the term used for palming and isn't switching a different thing? I have never really understood the term mucking. Does the term mucking cover Palming & Switching? Here to say I have some muck on my hand would I have dirt on my hand. Mucking about means fooling about and the muck in poker is the passed or dicarded cards, those in the dustbin the trash. When you have a card in your hand that you should not have them perhaps it means you are not clean and have muck/dirt in your hand hense, mucking. Erdnase never uses the term mucking does he I wonder where it comes from. I always say palm or switch.
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Mucking means switching cards during play
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On 2007-07-22 20:06, tommy wrote:
Isn't mucking the term used for palming and isn't switching a different thing? I have never really understood the term mucking. Does the term mucking cover Palming & Switching? Here to say I have some muck on my hand would I have dirt on my hand. Mucking about means fooling about and the muck in poker is the passed or dicarded cards, those in the dustbin the trash. When you have a card in your hand that you should not have them perhaps it means you are not clean and have muck/dirt in your hand hense, mucking. Erdnase never uses the term mucking does he I wonder where it comes from. I always say palm or switch.


Like many gambling terms, mucking can have a variety of meanings. With regards to cheating, mucking refers to the process of holding out and switching cards in play. The term "switching" on its own refers to two or more players exchanging cards between their hands to make the strongest hand possible--no cards are actually stolen.

Difficult stuff to comprehend, I know...
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Thanks Z. In magic we don't see much teaching of things to do with working with an ally as magicians work alone. Switching cards in my game is probably the the best way or the most likely thing for the players to try with regard to sleight of hand.
Most of the cash games at my place are Omaha up to six cards and players hold the cards in their hand rather than on the table as they would in Holdem. That makes easier card switching me thinks.
I have not seen anyone try and switch cards at the table that does not mean they havn't. I have never tried it.
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Just did some omaha games. evened out or down a few slow. I play fair though....
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In the land of San Domingo they all spoke with a diff'rent lingo, by Gosh, by Gum..

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Just to clarify,

Most (if not all) of those hand mucks are faux. Why someone would post a bunch of phony hand mucks I don't know.

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From the Phantom Notebook blog;


"I will expect an apology for calling my integrity into doubt and hopefully that will be the end of it. I am not in the business of posting fake videos to pull the wool over peoples eyes. This is a blog dedicated to the serious student of magic and I have more respect for the art than to post phoney videos thank you very much."

Drop him a line over at his blog. Hand Mucking Made Difficult
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