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Am I just a jerk, or can't we all do the "non-blowing method"?
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On 2012-08-19 13:28, kcg5 wrote:
Am I just a jerk, or can't we all do the "non-blowing method"?



THe camera is crappy so it looks like theres only 1 or 2 rotations... the dice is actually spinning faster than what you see and it does do a lot more rotations.... ill try and get a better camera.... sorry..
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Thanks for the vid. I thought that might be the method you were describing. Looks good.
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Since we are all very knowledgeable and sophisticated about artifice on the BB, we know that there are TWO reasons why a die is held between the thumb and an opposing forefinger or middle finger and spun.

The first and most important reason is to demonstrate, from an anthropological point of view, that the demonstrator has evolved sufficiently from his primitive simian-like ancestors to be able to use an “opposing” thumb, the ability of which separates man from all other creatures on the planet.

The second and somewhat minor reason is to test for loads. Most box men working a casino craps table will test for loads on a die that has been throw off the table and returned to the game by holding the die as above explained and either spinning it with a finger of the opposing hand or by moving the die up and down with one finger. A loaded die will wobble at the end of the spin or simply wobble when moved with the odd finger. In other words, this is a practical test for loads that most box men actually use. It would be rare indeed for the “box” to blow, and possibly inadvertently spit on the die to spin it. In fact, I have never seen that done on an active casino craps game and if I were working the floor and the box blew on the die in this silly and unprofessional manner during a busy game (or during any game for that matter), I would have him walk around the casino three times with his finger inserted in his anus until he learned to be more serious about his job, concentrate on protecting and running the game properly and act more professionally.

However, it is my understanding that an old time hustler who worked the box many years ago had a different way of spinning the die. He was called Sammy the Snozz because of his huge nose. While testing for loads one day, he accidentally let lose a humongous sneeze through his nose on the die being held between his thumb and opposing finger. This caused the die to spin wildly at blurring, almost supersonic speed before coming to rest, thereby obviating the necessity of having to blow (and possibly unintentionally spit) on the die as previously discussed. Since this was in the days before YouTube, unfortunately he was unable to post any professional videos of himself using this somewhat unique, cutting edge and revolutionary (pun intended), test for loads.

I was wondering if anyone on the BB has attempted to spin a die, not by blowing or possibly inadvertently spitting on it, but by sneezing through his nose instead. If so, I think the membership would be excited and appreciative in seeing this next step in the evolution of die spinning/load testing. If the demonstrator finds it difficult or impossible to hold the die using an opposing thumb for the demonstration, holding the die with a caliper would no doubt satisfy the requirement nicely and eliminate any possible embarrassment.

Because of the great interest this fascinating thread has generated, I am surprised that no one has come up with other, more unique ways of spinning a die. For example, does anyone have information on the method supposedly used by Samurai warriors in their dice games in ancient Japan, in which the die is spun by flicking it with the “Kung Fu Serpent Darting Tongue” technique? Additionally, how about using the right elbow, left ear lobe, big toe or maybe the cocktail waitresses’ false eyelash to make the spin. Oh well, you guys get the idea. The possibilities are almost endless and it would be interesting to see how creative the membership can actually be.

(Please guys don’t demonstrate by video using your private parts to make the die spin. The admin would probably ban me for inciting “indecency.”)
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I don't think it's even a particularly reliable way to test for loads. I think it is a flourish plain and simple.

Sammy the Snozz didn't have a thing on Frankie The Flatulent.

Sorry you didn't care for ther thread.
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On 2012-09-10 11:53, Marlin1894 wrote:
I don't think it's even a particularly reliable way to test for loads. I think it is a flourish plain and simple.

Sorry you didn't care for ther thread.

Sorry you didn’t care for my post about their thread. Smile

However, I must respectfully disagree with one point. In a casino environment, on the craps table itself, lightly holding the die between thumb and an opposing finger is THE primary test for loads. By holding the die at different corners and lightly moving the die up and down, and then testing by holding different corners, if done correctly even very light loads would show up.

Spinning the die is a more crude way to do this and one might miss catching the load by spinning. You are correct; it is a flourish more than anything. However, some box men will give the die a spin after a legitimate test is done first.

Away from the table, calipers are used to detect the “wobble" that loads produce. Still, spinning is more clumsy and not as delicate a test as lightly moving the die a little at a time and using different corners. Of course, away from the table there are other way to test for loads also.
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Nah, I enjoyed the post.

You explained perfectly why I say that spin isn't really a good way to look for weight. I mean, it is, but it's only at that last moment as the cube comes to rest that you see any wobble. You could take a dead ace that is loaded under 12 pips, make it spin like a top in your fingers and not notice a thing until it slows down to a stop.

Balancing calipers are great but I don't think many people know how to use them properly. I've never worked in a casino, but knowing what little I do about the way casinos train their staff I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the people testing them don't know how to use them properly. I can put a perfectly legit cube in a balancing caliper, spin it, and just before it completes it's final revolution it will roll backwards 1/2 or 1/4 of a turn and stop.

Then again maybe I don't know what I'm doing. I never load the dice into the caliper the way they show in the pictures at the Gamblers General Store. Oy.

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The pic above is incorrect... it should be the corners inside the brass ends... whoever took this pic probably confused that item with a calliper to measure thickness...
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On 2012-09-10 17:59, iamslow wrote:
The pic above is incorrect...


Ya think? lol
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