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When I was a kid in Decatur Georgia we were lucky enough to have a manager from a big tobacco company on one side of us and a guy from the Braves on the other side, this meant my dad got tickets to every game up until Aaron was at around 705 then they dried up. We would go to the game and most often Hank wasn't playing full time but he'd always come out and tip his hat and the fans would go nuts, I loved the guy. About ten or fifteen years ago I got to meet him at a sports show and was very excited. He was a complete arse and it ruined my image of him. He was a great ball player and put up great numbers in his prime. I think Willie Mays would have had the record had he not gone into the service for awhile.

OBP means nothing unless they cross the plate and we win. Hey Vandy, I saw the Brewers play Boston in Finway and the Brewers beat Clemons like he was a dusty carpet on Spring cleaning day. It got so bad the Brewers were not charging the bases. Great game.
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OBP is one of the most significant offensive stats in baseball. Certainly much more relevant than batting average, which has its own special lore. I think Aaron became very embittered by a lot of the hate mail, racism and threats he received as he chased down Ruth. Ted Williams is another guy who would have been up there...not in Aaron's category for total homeruns, but he would have ended up around where Mays did. He lost 100 or so homers to WW2, and another 50 to Korea. Still hit over 500 of them.
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Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Lobo,

If Junior had stayed healthy, he's likely the one chasing down Aaron, not Bonds.

I just don't see Junior hitting 30 HRs 5 years from now. I imagine Junior could get to 675 or so.

Healthy - he hits 850 in his career easy. And what a shame too, he's got the most beautiful swing baseball has ever seen.

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Having been lucky in my career to spend some time photographing Hank Aaron and he was a great guy to work with.

Originally a Giants fan (when I lived in the SF Bay Area) and now a Dodger fan (Live in LA) I loved Willy Mays, Orlando Cepeda, Willy McCovey and Juan Marichal...these were the class guys -- now Bonds is the big guy and frankly he's not in their class at all.

I would pitch to him and STRIKE HIM OUT.
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OBP is one of the most significant offensive stats in baseball. Certainly much more relevant than batting average, which has its own special lore. I think Aaron became very embittered by a lot of the hate mail, racism and threats he received as he chased down Ruth.


That sucked. It really did. Let the man have his moment. Ruth has his place in history. Even if he loses the #1 slot, he's never going to be forgotten. Let Hank have his shot at glory without bitterness. Well, all water under the bridge now.
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On 2007-07-21 14:10, LobowolfXXX wrote:
OBP is one of the most significant offensive stats in baseball. Certainly much more relevant than batting average, which has its own special lore. I think Aaron became very embittered by a lot of the hate mail, racism and threats he received as he chased down Ruth.




That sucked. It really did. Let the man have his moment. Ruth has his place in history. Even if he loses the #1 slot, he's never going to be forgotten. Let Hank have his shot at glory without bitterness. Well, all water under the bridge now.


It's not a matter of letting him have is moment or not; it's a matter of observation. Actually, it't not even that...he's pretty much said the same things himself, e.g.

April 8, 1999

by William Ladson
The Sporting News

Hank Aaron will be the first to tell you he was bitter for a long time after breaking Babe Ruth's career home run record on April 8, 1974. Prior to the historical event, a lot of people didn't want the Braves' outfielder to be the new Sultan of Swat. Aaron received death threats and hate mail from bigots because he was black. Also, then-baseball commissioner Bowie Kuhn didn't show up to the record-breaking event. Twenty-five years later, however, Major League Baseball is making it up to Aaron in a big way. It will celebrate Aaron's record-breaking home run by having a series of events throughout the season. Then there's the first annual Hank Aaron Award, which will acknowledge the top National League player and American League player with a combination of five offensive abilities -- home runs, RBIs, stolen bases, runs scored and batting average.

"This award says that I wasn't just a home run hitter," Aaron says. "I was able to do something else in baseball. I won two batting titles, I was able to field my position, run the bases. I batted in a lot of runs. I would like people to realize that."

In the week before the 25th anniversary of Aaron's 715th home run, William Ladson of The Sporting News talked with Aaron about the record-breaking moment and his baseball career.

The Sporting News: When did you realize you had a shot at Babe Ruth's record?




Aaron: I knew I had an outside chance after the 1972 strike ended. We came back, and I had a decent year. I had to stay healthy and be surrounded by great ballplayers.

TSN: As you were closing in on the Babe, when did you start feeling the pressure?

Aaron: This might sound like I'm bragging, but I never felt pressured. I never felt pressured because I felt the only way I could play baseball was to relax and do the best I could. I couldn't play under pressure.

TSN: How did you stay relaxed during that period?

Aaron: The record we are talking about now was not set in one year and it certainly wasn't going to be broken in one year. I felt like I had all year long to break the record. So I certainly wasn't going to let one game or one series or one month get me to the point where I was going to be pressured.

TSN: As you were approaching the record, what was the most disappointing experience you had on or off the field?

Aaron: That's a tough question. The closer I got to the record, people started thinking that it wasn't the most important record in baseball. Of course, there were other things. I just wished for a moment that I could have enjoyed it as much as Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire enjoyed their chase last year.

TSN: The death threats and the letters from bigots are the reasons you didn't enjoy the chase, right?

Aaron: The threats and all the controversy. My daughter was in college at Fisk University, and she wasn't able to enjoy it. And I had to put my two boys in private schools, so they weren't there to be bat boys. They weren't able to enjoy it. So I was deprived of a lot of things that really should have belonged to me and my family.

TSN: Twenty-five years later, are you enjoying it now?

Aaron: Yes I am. If somebody asked me about this 25 years ago or 20 years ago, you would have found a very bitter person. I've taken my mother's advice. She said, "Things you have no control over, don't worry about it." And so I'm just going about my business. I have other things to worry about. I'm enjoying my life, period.





If you want to pretend that it was all sun & daisies for Aaron, have at it.
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Thanks for the post... very interesting.

Right, Ruth, Aaron, and others like Dimaggio, Williams, et al, have notched their places in history and will never be forgotten.
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He sure was bitter when I met him. He had great numbers, not Babe Ruth numbers through the career but Aaron was an absolutely great player. When I was a kid I remember my dad telling us not to root for the Mets when at their games (we were Met fans then, my dad from NYC and bitter about the Dodgers leaving) or they would jump you in the parking lot, the fans I mean, and when Aaron showed his face the place would go bizerk. I hope he is happy now, he deserves it....even if he was mean to my wife.
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On 2007-07-21 14:10, LobowolfXXX wrote:
OBP is one of the most significant offensive stats in baseball. Certainly much more relevant than batting average, which has its own special lore. I think Aaron became very embittered by a lot of the hate mail, racism and threats he received as he chased down Ruth.




That sucked. It really did. Let the man have his moment. Ruth has his place in history. Even if he loses the #1 slot, he's never going to be forgotten. Let Hank have his shot at glory without bitterness. Well, all water under the bridge now.


It's not a matter of letting him have is moment or not; it's a matter of observation. Actually, it't not even that...he's pretty much said the same things himself, e.g.

If you want to pretend that it was all sun & daisies for Aaron, have at it.


I'm aware Aaron was getting crap from people while advancing on and when he actually beat Ruth's record. <That's> what I thought "sucked" and <that's> what I was referring to in my comment "let him have his glory." It wasn't a comment to anyone here but to those questionable life forms that think they have a right to harrass and threaten a person for doing the best he can and actually achieving something!
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Sorry, Mandrake...obviously I totally misread your comment. Yes, I absolutely agree with you. What he had to go through at what should have been one of the best times of his life was truly terrible.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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It's no secret that Hank was bitter throughout that whole thing. He had good reason to be. It wasn't only that, it was the way the league treated him, forcing him to play on the road at the beginning of the season etc. There was no respect. Hank got screwed out of what should have been the greatest moment of his life. But to his credit he swore to himself he would break that record and he would wield that record like a Louisville Slugger over the head of everyone who rooted against him.

Despite everything, Hank Aaron remains pure class. And he is a hero that baseball can be proud of, America can be proud of. Hank was 6' 180 lbs when he came into the league and he was 6' 180 when he left it. He didn't need to juice. He hit homers with his vision and his incredible wrists. Barry is going to break that record soon, but whenever I see the stories, I just think about Hank Aaron.

And when I see those clips of him hitting the record breaking home run, I always cringe when I see those guys who ran on the field. Hank looks scared when they run up to him, And we know why. I don't know how those idiots ever got on the field and got that close to Hank. You can tell from the film that the guys are actually happy and excited for Hank and want to congraulate him. But becuase of the ugly atmosphere created by the racists that had been writing to Hank, he was just terrified. Even at the VERY moment he was rounding the bases after hitting the shot, he had to deal with being scared in his surroundings. Disgraceful.
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I'd also bet my life savings Bonds wouldn't hit as many homers today if he had to use the same baseballs that Hank hit.

After the 94 strike, MLB needed something to get the fans excited again. They found that in the home run. Specifically the McGwire/Sosa race.

What most don't know is that the baseballs used today in MLB are wound far tighter than they were in Hanks day (or Maris or Ruth etc).

So Bonds is not only hitting with juiced biceps, he's hitting juiced balls.

Side by side comparison One off season. No pain no gain? Or no juice no boost?

You decide.

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Oh the balls are definately juiced. They have juiced the ball of and on in certain seasons for a long time now. Also, pitching in the Bigs is so dilluted compared to when Aaron played.

And speaking of Sammy Sosa, is it just me or does he look about 60 lbs lighter and three hat sizes smaller than when he was hitting all those home runs.
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I hope they dig all the asterixes (What is the plural of asterix, anyway?)out of mothballs for this guy.
Woke up.
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Sorry, Mandrake...obviously I totally misread your comment. Yes, I absolutely agree with you. What he had to go through at what should have been one of the best times of his life was truly terrible.


No probs. I seem to have a major problem expressing myself. There's another thread where someone misinterpreted what I said and beat me around the virtual head for expressing opinions I didn't think I expressed! It's very confusing.
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Lol Welcome to the internet!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Yeah, I expect that stuff on usenet. I was kinda hoping I was doing better here. Smile
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You felt your ability to communicate would improve by moving from the usenet?
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Yeah, and Barroids is one away.

Question:
Now, if you were a major league pitcher, not the hot dog guy or peanut dude, but a major league pitcher, would you throw to him, at him, or walk him?
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You felt your ability to communicate would improve by moving from the usenet?


I <hoped> that people would ask for claification if they were confused and not jump all over me, berating me for implications I didn't intend to infer!
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