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I've got an idea. Implicate on this:

Question:
Now, if you were a major league pitcher, not the hot dog guy or peanut dude, but a major league pitcher, would you throw to him, at him, or walk him?
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It depends on the situation. In some cases you want to walk him so that you have the final out in position. If no one is on base you pitch to him, depending on the score and if he is likely to hit your work etc.
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I am a pro. I pitch him what the game requires.


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The situation is you have a cheating cheaty cheat cheat at the plate with a chance to hit a historic home run off you. You could be known as the guy that tossed him the one that ties/breaks a record.
Or you could be known a guy that just said no, not me, not today.
He gets nothing even close to hitting.
He gets perhaps not chin music, but instead a chin symphony.
Then the news gets out and in the next town the same thing happens.
He gets noting but pain and shame. Tomorrow the same thing.
Baseball regulates itself. Yeah, when pigs fly unaided.

So I'm wondering, which guy are you?
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On 2007-07-28 16:11, landmark wrote:
I am a pro. I pitch him what the game requires.


Jack Shalom


The game requires that the ball be thrown, the question is where?
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On 2007-07-28 16:19, Jerrine wrote:
The situation is you have a cheating cheaty cheat cheat at the plate with a chance to hit a historic home run off you. You could be known as the guy that tossed him the one that ties/breaks a record.
Or you could be known a guy that just said no, not me, not today.
He gets nothing even close to hitting.
He gets perhaps not chin music, but instead a chin symphony.
Then the news gets out and in the next town the same thing happens.
He gets noting but pain and shame. Tomorrow the same thing.
Baseball regulates itself. Yeah, when pigs fly unaided.

So I'm wondering, which guy are you?



I'm the guy who'd have the guts to pitch to him and try to get him out, not be afraid that I'd give up the homerun. Guess I'm not wondering which guy you are...
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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I don't see where fear enters into it.
I'm not a fear kinda guy.
That you are not wondering is not news.

So he that knows all (LobowolfXXX), which would I do?
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On 2007-07-28 22:32, Jerrine wrote:
I don't see where fear enters into it.
I'm not a fear kinda guy.
That you are not wondering is not news.

So he that knows all (LobowolfXXX), which would I do?



Beats me... how would I know?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Exactly. Thank you for the honest input.
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There was nothing dishonest about my previous comment; I just don't care enough to wonder. Sorry if you incorrectly inferred otherwise.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Thanks for the link Jack.
Quick poll says Tom Verducci is a good writer.
I don't agree with the Elephant in the Room bit.
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On 2007-07-20 18:18, Jerrine wrote:
Or Barriods as some call him.

Question:
If you were a major league pitcher would you throw to him,
at him, or walk him?




I would do exactly what the coach, and the play of the game the smartest I can think of dictates.

History and the law will sort out the rest.

It is the pitchers job to pitch, and not to make judgements.
Danny Doyle
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<BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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Thanks for the answer Danny.
Don Drysdale would not agree with your assesment of the pitchers job.

From Don:

"If they knocked two of your guys down, I'd get four. You have to protect your hitters."

"My own little rule was two for one. If one of my teammates got knocked down, then I knocked down two on the other team."

"The pitcher has to find out if the hitter is timid, and if he is timid, he has to remind the hitter he's timid."

"When the ball is over the middle of the plate, the batter is hitting it with the sweet part of the bat. When it's inside, he's hitting it with the part of the bat from the handle to the trademark. When it's outside, he's hitting it with the end of the bat. You've got to keep the ball away from the sweet part of the bat. To do that, the pitcher has to move the hitter off the plate."

What other said:
"Don Drysdale would consider an intentional walk a waste of three pitches. If he wants to put you on base, he can hit you with one pitch." - Mike Shannon

"I hated to bat against (Don) Drysdale. After he hit you he'd come around, look at the bruise on your arm and say, 'Do you want me to sign it?'" - Mickey Mantle

"The trick against (Don) Drysdale is to hit him before he hits you." - Orlando Cepeda
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Protecting the plate and brushbacks are all good, and a legitimate strategic part of the game. Deliberately hitting a player is chickenbleep. There's no excuse for purposely winging a baseball at upwards of 95 MPH at someone from 60 feet away, and any pitcher who does so deserves to take a return shot from the hitter's weapon - the bat.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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It's not about an excuse for, winging a baseball at upwards of 95 MPH at someone from 60 feet away, but the reason.
Reason does not equal excuse.
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No reason is sufficient to justify it. Baseball history includes outstanding players whose careers were cut short or ruined by being hit by pitched balls and resulting skull or cheekbone fractures (e.g. Mickey Cochrane & Tony Conigliaro), and in one case, a fatality (Ray Chapman). Deliberately throwing at a batter is cowardly, and doing so merits retribution or legal sanction.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I went to a Giants vs Cubbies game and a Giant pitcher hit a Cub and it back and forth until the ump said if anyone hit anyone else the game would be called. They had loads of fights and at the end the Cubs had a second baseman pitching because they used up (or lost as they were tossed out for hitting players) the pitchers and the Giants had one last guy who pitched the rest of the game. It was one of the funnest and wildest games I ever went to, that was in old Candlestick Park.
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LobowolfXXX like it or not there are reasons.
Refer to the four quotes I gave you to think about.
People get hurt in all sports, intentionally and otherwise.
Baseball is no different in that aspect.
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It's true that players are hurt in various sports; however, the "it's all part of the game" defense doesn't always work. I like the approach taken by the Canadian criminal justice system, which charged Todd Bertuzzi with "Assault Causing Bodily Harm" following an on-ice hit...and if it's part of the game in baseball, it's 10 times more part of the game in hockey. Bertuzzi was lucky to get a plea bargain and probation. Naturally, you can get quotations supporting the practice from a pitcher, and one who deliberately threw at batters. Being a good pitcher doesn't make Don Drysdale particularly qualified as an authority on whether it's right or appropriate. Here are some other quotations:

"Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist." - Giants coach Alvin Dark. ok, so it's not the insult of the era any more, but I think we can infer what side of the argument he comes down on.

"Whereas a pitcher who deliberately throws at a batter's head deserves our moral reproach because the game context makes it possible to distinguish between "beaning" a batter and "pitching" to a batter. - Eric Bronson

"In my book, no pitcher with decency in his heart will try to bean a batter deliberately." - Former catcher Moe Berg

I like the Bill Madlock approach...following getting plunked, Madlock let the bat "slip" out of his hands toward the mound. Though I think that it would have been more appropriate for Madlock to do the 60-foot dash with bat in hand IF HE WAS HIT DELIBERATELY. Of course, I have a soft spot in my heart for Charles Bronson movies, too.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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