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Joshua Barrett
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Its ridiculous the whole "real magic" thing people are using to bash those who feel misled.

believing that Ben found the elusive "magnetic sweet spot" is not the same as thinking they were buying real magic. its thinking someone is not lying or misleading you.
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I didn't read my instructions and got the paradime shifter to close to the gimmick and they hit each other and now my gimmick doesn't lay flat. Is it broken?
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To tell you the truth, I also thought it would be a genuine 'magnetic levitation'.

GDW is absolutely right with his statements.
I don't want to bash Enlightenment or Ben but I wished it would've been advertised more 'precisely'. I have to play around with it and see how it plays but if IT does the same thing then what's the point...
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I would love someone to show me how the f*** IT could do the same thing as enlightenment??<>#$%^@$%&? that's just plain 'ole BS!

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I just got this today and now my gimmick is completely broken. I broke it within 5 minutes of opening the pakage. My magnet got too close again and bent it open passed 90 degrees and it does work anymore. Im pretty disapointed. Hopefully I can send it back.
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On 2008-05-17 23:28, mesmer wrote:
I have this Enlightment...Cute....it is now in the drwaing...not because it is Not Good...it is very Good indeed, but I haven't found Motivation/Reason/Meaning that truly Conncet to me of why the cards float up and then Down.....

and plus I have so many things to work on at this moment, I use this Cute Magical Effect to entertain my self

now back to the Thinking Room!


I find it odd how some of us manage to buy something and only after we have played with it we realise that we have no place for it based on motivation for the effect, or what have you.

That is all information you would have known without buying the product.

That's like buying a DVD, taking it home, looking it over, and saying, "This looks like a great product, and I may have a use for it someday, but right now it is going in the drawer because I do not have a DVD player.

I don't mean to criticize you, mesmer, I have done this myself, but it is usually after an impulse buy, or realizing that a METHOD is not practical for the application I had in mind, but never have I just bought an item (outside of impulse buys) where it was the EFFECT that made me put it aside.

You know the effect BEFORE you buy it, and can know if you have a use for it or not, yes?

Again, I do not want to sound critical, or what have you, just very curious how this comes about.

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On 2008-05-20 07:06, dinger136 wrote:
After reading the 30+ pages of posts on this item, and without seeing the item at all (I am deployed), I would say that there are many people who really thought this was going to be some device that you could look at and it would just work. Or they thought it would be real magic. The problem is, if it was they would probably still be dissapointed.

I think this item has a great deal of potential if you look at WHAT IT DOES and not HOW IT DOES IT.

P.S.

I have always enjoyed COSMOSIS.


I am so SICK of people trying to dismiss this thinking as naive belief in Ben finding "real magic."

Magnetic levitation, using said "sweet spot" IS possible, and is used by MANY products. It is sold as a novelty. Ben's wording made it sound VERY much like he was touting having found a way to harness that magnetic sweet spot to genuinely levitate a playing card.

There is nothing there that WE deceived our SELVES with.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

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You got it right 100% GDW. I can count myself to the one's believing that it was 100% a 'magnetic levitation' using the FORCE...?
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Well... If you have not purchased enlightenment, I would say that it would be very difficult to say that you have been "Misled" at all? I mean.. How can you say you've been misled into NOT buying something that you feel you've been misled about? Funny.

On another front, If I DID buy enlightenment and I DIDN'T believe that it was some sort of magical/magnetic/fairy assisted card levitation, Did I mislead mySELF? Should I have believed that it was something I knew it wasn't?
I don't think so.

So whats the point here? There were undoubtedly TWO different thought processes at work here. A few who believe they were misled and those who obviously don't.

If you feel that you were misled into believing that the laws of physics were suddenly squashed, I feel bad for you. If you bought it, Try to sell it and maybe cut your loses. If you didn't buy it, Get off it.
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For there to be more than one or two people stating they have been mislead obviously shows there is a problem. If you can't see that then you need some enlightenment.
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I just purchased a real fairy Tim. But I feel I have been mislead. The fairy is only 2 inches in height when it looked like she was 2.5 inches in the video demo and also you can not look beneath her while she is levitating.
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Great!!! Then enlightenment shouldn't be any problem for you! Heck.. you don't even to buy anything either past the fairy purchase except for fairy food.(And the psychiatric sessions of course). Why can't you look beneath her while shes levitating? Does SHE have something attached? Smile

For the record Mac, There are many people who DON'T believe that they were misled. Is that concrete Proof there is not a problem? Maybe. At least not any more than a few people thinking that they WERE misled proving that there is.

Look it really doesn't matter. There are defiantly two fronts at work here. I don't feel that I was misled and you obviously do. Like I said Mac, Perhaps you can sell it.
Andrew, (ASW)
The effects on the DVD and lecture notes are far beyond your abilities. (They require mastery of the mechanic's grip.) It would only break your heart.
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I rewatched the demo on this...while I don't plan on buying this effect..it looks beautiful...i would love to see it performed live
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On 2008-05-21 11:22, Tim Jahn wrote:
Great!!! Then enlightenment shouldn't be any problem for you! Heck.. you don't even to buy anything either past the fairy purchase except for fairy food.(And the psychiatric sessions of course). Why can't you look beneath her while shes levitating? Does SHE have something attached? Smile

For the record Mac, There are many people who DON'T believe that they were misled. Is that concrete Proof there is not a problem? Maybe. At least not any more than a few people thinking that they WERE misled proving that there is.

Look it really doesn't matter. There are defiantly two fronts at work here. I don't feel that I was misled and you obviously do. Like I said Mac, Perhaps you can sell it.


What is your motivation in continually posting on this subject?
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On 2008-05-21 13:10, jcrai wrote:
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On 2008-05-21 11:22, Tim Jahn wrote:
Great!!! Then enlightenment shouldn't be any problem for you! Heck.. you don't even to buy anything either past the fairy purchase except for fairy food.(And the psychiatric sessions of course). Why can't you look beneath her while shes levitating? Does SHE have something attached? Smile

For the record Mac, There are many people who DON'T believe that they were misled. Is that concrete Proof there is not a problem? Maybe. At least not any more than a few people thinking that they WERE misled proving that there is.

Look it really doesn't matter. There are defiantly two fronts at work here. I don't feel that I was misled and you obviously do. Like I said Mac, Perhaps you can sell it.


What is your motivation in continually posting on this subject?

He does not feel he was misled and he likes it. Out of all the ones sold most are not responding here or they like it enough to not post a negative review. The reason I say that is because their have only been a handfull here for sale at the Café out of all the ones sold.
I believe Chris's routine will take this effect onto another level. The card goes up while held in spectator's hand, then descends and they can take top card and look at it and find nothing. To me that's pretty impressive. If you expected more, sorry but that's it.
Some people buy a Card Through Window expecting a magic bullet. They are all the same with the set up being different in each one. People expected a magic bullet here also but its just a magic trick. Lets move on and go to reviews good or bad.
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"He does not feel he was misled and he likes it."

why does that lead to mocking of those who don't?
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I guess he feels strong about ENLIGHTENMENT. Maybe Ben shouldn't have released so much info about it. Probably sold the same amount and less hassle.
Problem was some people believed it worked due to info released by magnetic repullsion due to earlier posts.
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On 2008-05-21 08:34, Tim Jahn wrote:
Well... If you have not purchased enlightenment, I would say that it would be very difficult to say that you have been "Misled" at all? I mean.. How can you say you've been misled into NOT buying something that you feel you've been misled about? Funny.

On another front, If I DID buy enlightenment and I DIDN'T believe that it was some sort of magical/magnetic/fairy assisted card levitation, Did I mislead mySELF? Should I have believed that it was something I knew it wasn't?
I don't think so.

So whats the point here? There were undoubtedly TWO different thought processes at work here. A few who believe they were misled and those who obviously don't.

If you feel that you were misled into believing that the laws of physics were suddenly squashed, I feel bad for you. If you bought it, Try to sell it and maybe cut your loses. If you didn't buy it, Get off it.


Why the **** do you keep insisting that we would be morons to believe this, by claiming laws of physics would have to be broken for it to be what we were lead to believe it was?

I have shown over and over again that it is NOT impossible, and there are MANY products that do just this. It is completely reasonable to believe that someone had adapted already existing physics, not breaking laws of physics, into a workable size for this application.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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Tim, my point was that it wasnt an anomally of one person feeling mislead, there are more than one which means there is something misleading...nevermind.
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On 2008-05-20 21:25, jamie9 wrote:
I didn't read my instructions and got the paradime shifter to close to the gimmick and they hit each other and now my gimmick doesn't lay flat. Is it broken?


I am thinking that the gimmich won't lay flat after a few uses anyway. At least mine doesn't. The weight of the top piece is heavy towards the "active" end, causing the middle to ramp upwards a little. I've been looking at mine trying to figure out how to compensate or if it's really that big of a deal. I'm thinking of adding a few more cards to the breather. Hmmm.

The instruction book says the MPL should start to rise when bringing the driver within 8 inches. I'm using the paradigm shifter and I still have to get within 4" to get the effect to start. Is anyone else getting the start at 8 inches?
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