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AntonDreaming
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With regards to ballancing a pole, what are the optimum qualities?

I know it is best to have a weight at the top and that the longer the pole the better. But...

Is it better to have a larger base or a smaller point? Is a wide pole better than a thinner one? Is a heavier pole better than a light one (not including the wieght)? Anyone who knows the info please let me know.

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When I started balancing things on my chin I started with a push broom, and as I improved I was able to shorten the pole. Eventually I got down to balancing a tea spoon on my nose. I later bought 9 balancing cigar boxes from Dube, and did the WC Fields 9 cigar box pyramid. Then I injured my neck, and I haven't done anything but a juggling club on my nose for a long time. I have two herniated discs's in my neck, and getting old sucks.
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If you have a heavy pole coming to a point then you could do yourself serious injury!

Basically the weight isn't that important. The size of the base isn't important as long as it sits comfortably on your chin. The width of the pole isn't that important. The only things you really need to consider is whether the weight is making the balancing uncomfortable for you and (if outside) whether the pole is being overly affected by weather conditions.

I would recommend you balance whilst wearing sunglasses when outside. I'd suggest that you try to make all movements as small as possible and react as quickly as possible. Theory says that you should watch the centre of balance but I say #£@# to that and watch the top as you can tell movement more easily.

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My 2 cents....I was once told by a Russian Circus performer that you should learn to balance things on your forehead as opposed to your chin. The forehead looks aesthetically nicer from a performance standpoint. The smaller objects (spoons, pencils, shoes) should be done on your nose and larger stuff (ladders, canoes etc..) on your chin. I was always taught to focus on the highest spot or slightly down from that. If you are balancing something asymetrically, like a ladder on on foot so it is leaning slightly, imagine a straight lne off your eyes and focus where that line meets the highest point of your balance. And for small objects, a heavy weight is easiers and top heavy is good.

I used to work with a Chinese Acrobat, Xiao Di from NY, who would balance a chopstick and then stack three eggs (side to side) on top. The *** Chinese are so skillful.

All the best.
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Balancing is accomplished by triangulation, which makes the forehead the hardest place to triangulate from, so Anton start with a long narrow pole on the chin, on a non windy day, and watch the top of the pole.
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AntonDreaming
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Yeah I have no issue with the actual ballance. Im just working on building a ballance prop and wanted to know what would be optimal. Im working on the chin ballance while juggling three clubs and man is that trick a b*tch to learn. Hopefuly Ill get the nack for it soon.

Thanks
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I can not do that, but it is accomplished by spoting the top of the club pattern and lots of practice.
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itshim
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It's done by looking through the balance. You are aware of the balance at all times but you have to be aware of the clubs as well. It takes time. It's much easier with three objects juggled than four as the pattern isn't as jerky.

Nigel

Why build an object to balance when there are so many out there already?
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On 2007-07-25 00:06, AntonDreaming wrote:
Yeah I have no issue with the actual ballance. Im just working on building a ballance prop and wanted to know what would be optimal. Im working on the chin ballance while juggling three clubs and man is that trick a b*tch to learn. Hopefuly Ill get the nack for it soon.

Thanks
Anton


The whole key to learning to balance and juggle is to learn to focus mainly on the balance. The juggling shoud be second nature. A good thing to practice is to let the juggle fail bfore you let the balance fail. It is most jugglers natural instinct to try and avoid the drop at all costs. You have to do just the opposite to balance and juggle. Concentrate on keeping the balance, no matter what. When you are practicing, keep the balance even if you drop the juggle. Eventually it will become easier, and easier to keep the balance and the juggling going together. Good luck, it took me a while to learn that one.
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I found it easier to focus on a spot below the top of the pole so that I could better see the top of the pattern. I agree with AL that the balance is more important than the juggling when you are learning. Same holds true for flipping a hat to a balanced cane.

For some more amazing balance stuff check out Bobby May vids.

Kevin
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